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Pier guy is totally better cuz because they take the time to understand in which situation they are in and they catch big fish from piers while boat guy catches from boat with gps
grouperking wrote:Pier guy is totally better cuz because they take the time to understand in which situation they are in and they catch big fish from piers while boat guy catches from boat with gps
a land based fishermen has a better chance at catching fishing jumping from the pier to the boat then the boat guy jumping on a pier
i know alot of guys that own big boats and been fishing on them since they were kids still they seem like googs to me
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grouperking wrote:Pier guy is totally better cuz because they take the time to understand in which situation they are in and they catch big fish from piers while boat guy catches from boat with gps
a land based fishermen has a better chance at catching fishing jumping from the pier to the boat then the boat guy jumping on a pier
i know alot of guys that own big boats and been fishing on them since they were kids still they seem like googs to me
If you can't fish from a boat WITH a GPS then that guy is plain dumb or doesn't know wat there doingb
I believe the land based fisherman to be the one developing more skills and tactics versus the non land based fisherman.
No gps or fishfinder to help so you gotta think about what is going on to a much broader degree than so eone who can out circle obstructions and or change location to less frequented areas.
A pier is afixed point and what you see is what you got with all the daily repeated pressure.
A non land based fisherman can go look and choose location and hunt down fish via electronic gimmicks and whatnot.
Not saying that a non land based fisherman is a googan by no means but imo it is much easier to circumvent above mentioned scenarios which are by far not all.
A pier is what you see is what you got and only observation and tactic adjustments will hone your success versus a fishfinder telling you hey here I am drop some bait go load up.
Something like that for starters
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In general, it is apple and orange.
I think fishing skills in nut shell are divided into two, 1) finding fish and 2) catching fish.
And I would say 1) is harder skill to master and more than important than 2).
In general, a successful recreational pier fisherman is more skilled than the other. (And I am not talking about off-shore tuna/swordfish recreational fisherman)
Successful pier fisherman must be good at 1) and 2). And successful pier fisherman is rarer than endangered red snapper.
They have a natural hunter-instinct and most time they are local who fished the area from kid.
When you go to boat fishing, 1) finding fish is done by captain who knows the area very well and you only do 2) catching fish.
If you have your own boat, you will see how hard 1) finding fish is even with all those cheating of fancy GPS and chart...without finding fish, your catching skill has no use. I have been on fishing boat long enough to tell the result of commercial fishing totally depends on captain's skill how to find the fish not crew's skill how to catch them.
However, a good pier fisherman is not automatically good at boat fishing as they required different skills. But the chance is higher than the other way around.
grouperking wrote:Pier guy is totally better cuz because they take the time to understand in which situation they are in and they catch big fish from piers while boat guy catches from boat with gps
a land based fishermen has a better chance at catching fishing jumping from the pier to the boat then the boat guy jumping on a pier
i know alot of guys that own big boats and been fishing on them since they were kids still they seem like googs to me
If you can't fish from a boat WITH a GPS then that guy is plain dumb or doesn't know wat there doingb
haveing a gps dosent reALLY DOSE NOT MAKE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE have a good depth fish finder is the real key
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We went as example on a friends boat with the fishfinder not working and still caught just by switching up. A little base knowledge and we broke the handle on the cooler so darn full of fish with no depth or fishfinder working.
We have some guys here on the forum who can outfish the majority blind folded on the water or the planks.
Example FF73 or GK or Rare PhishingPhanatic or Cudaman.
Would love to hear some or more from them on the topic
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STRIZ wrote:We went as example on a friends boat with the fishfinder not working and still caught just by switching up. A little base knowledge and we broke the handle on the cooler so darn full of fish with no depth or fishfinder working.
We have some guys here on the forum who can outfish the majority blind folded on the water or the planks.
Example FF73 or (GK nothing special) or Rare PhishingPhanatic or Cudaman.
Would love to hear some or more from them on the topic
ive just been fishing too long not to be able to catch fish
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You guys don't know him , I know him since we were kids a good friend of mine , it was a winter day offshore we were anchored the smoker kings were bitting I caught one I want it to catch one for him he didn't let me I caught mine tho 31lbs.
Boat to pier is the easier adjust hands down. There is way more knowledge and tactics you'll use on a boat than you would on a pier. Most won't apply but many will. For example, most people on boats will reef fish, inshore and offshore for pelagics too. Catching bait, tying chicken rigs and knocker rigs will carry over from boat to pier. How many pier fisherman can rig chin weighted ballyhoo with circle hooks, or kite troll? Probably less than 5%.
Good fish finder helps when bottom fishing. It's not gonna help for dolphin, tuna or sailfish. Neither will GPS. It's all about water conditions. I caught 2 kings and a tuna today from the yak without my FF.
Different fisheries require different skill sets. Flats fishing, something I've never done requires a trained eye to see something like a permit. I would probably miss that, and super accurate casting ability to place a crab softly in front of a fish. Can you cast a crab 20 yards into a 5 gal bucket, I know I can't, even though I fish all the time.
It's not about skill, it's about situational awareness.
I've spent so much time fishing the lakes of the mid-atlantic region that I don't need to know much about the weather, pressure, seasons, or anything else to catch fish there. Turns out if a front rolls in, I'm automatically reaching for a specific bait, changing colors, or whatever it may be that "feels" right. It's from repetition and paying attention to the conditions surrounding your success and failures.
I can put you on a pier stacked with snook and bait, show you how to present the baits on the right rigs and everything else, but if you pack up and leave when a storm is about to crush the pier, well you're going to miss the hottest bite of the day once the rain passes through. While everyone else is running for cover, I'm running for my rain gear and making sure my net is ready. I'm not saying I'm the greatest fisherman in the world, but I pay my dues in time and after getting lucky a few times put two and two together.
I'm out in almost 400 feet of clear blue flat water yesterday and see a gigantic cuda circling so I stop paddling and drop my jig and immediately catch fish. Why? Cause I'm assuming he's not hanging around for his health, there must be food around. You'd have to be looking in the water though, something I do religiously. I drifted my fav spot 4 times earlier with nothing. On the way back a massive thunderstorm forms quickly off the Hollywood coast. I know I need to get back in, but with the change in temp, wind, and current I have to drift my spot again. Fish were all over it and yeah I got rained on pretty hard, but it was worth confirming what I knew to be true.
I'm saying all of this because I believe that it doesn't matter what your background is. You need the basics (a few good knots, some etiquette) and lots of water time under your belt. Only though being out there and always looking around can you gain situational awareness that you'll need to set you apart from the rest.
It's like Poseidon said, it's about understanding your surroundings. If you are boatless you oughta be able to be dropped onto any pier, bridge, or shoreline and be able to narrow things down and hook up. Same goes for fishing a new lake or part of the ocean. Fancy gear and expensive hooks do no good if you can't put yourself on the fish.
To be fair, I think this discussion has to be limited to skills of those fishermen catching species that can be caught in pier and boat. Boat fishing technique/skill is endless while pier fishing skill is only limited to those species.
Otherwise, we are comparing apple and water melon.
To be fair, I think this discussion has to be limited to skills of those fishermen catching species that can be caught in pier and boat. Boat fishing technique/skill is endless while pier fishing skill is only limited to those species.
Otherwise, we are comparing apple and water melon.
Poseidon10/31 wrote:Boat to pier is the easier adjust hands down. There is way more knowledge and tactics you'll use on a boat than you would on a pier. Most won't apply but many will. For example, most people on boats will reef fish, inshore and offshore for pelagics too. Catching bait, tying chicken rigs and knocker rigs will carry over from boat to pier. How many pier fisherman can rig chin weighted ballyhoo with circle hooks, or kite troll? Probably less than 5%.
Good fish finder helps when bottom fishing. It's not gonna help for dolphin, tuna or sailfish. Neither will GPS. It's all about water conditions. I caught 2 kings and a tuna today from the yak without my FF.
Different fisheries require different skill sets. Flats fishing, something I've never done requires a trained eye to see something like a permit. I would probably miss that, and super accurate casting ability to place a crab softly in front of a fish. Can you cast a crab 20 yards into a 5 gal bucket, I know I can't, even though I fish all the time.
no bro you werent into land fishing long enough to really learn anything
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gruntking wrote:
no bro you werent into land fishing long enough to really learn anything
lol I hope you're not serious. Only fished from shore for 30 years... So you think a guy fishing from a pier will have more knowledge than a guy on a boat? What part did you disagree with?
pier or land-based fisherman is totally different or have different skills to those that fish off of boats, but i think its alot easier for the land based fisherman to transition to fishing on a boat...not soo much the other way around...dont get me wrong, both need to know what theyre doing, but its a lil easier to be put on the fish no matter the species from a boat...doesnt work that way from land always..thats what makes it intriguing and i love it!!! LOL
Whatever style takes a little getting used to. Ease of transition will depend on the individuals adaptability as much if not more than experience. Even if you fish a boat regularly, if you don't fish it deep or bottom fish deep, setting circles can be tricky. The slack loop can be huge and has to be reeled in as quickly as possible after you set the break.
Every type of fishing is the same, only different!
crashmister wrote:Whatever style takes a little getting used to. Ease of transition will depend on the individuals adaptability as much if not more than experience. Even if you fish a boat regularly, if you don't fish it deep or bottom fish deep, setting circles can be tricky. The slack loop can be huge and has to be reeled in as quickly as possible after you set the break.
Every type of fishing is the same, only different!
yess they can be one of my first times ever fishing circle hooks beside chicken rigs for grunts btw
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Anyways, 
well said young man. Storms passing through.....see you in an hour
Only fished from shore for 30 years... So you think a guy fishing from a pier will have more knowledge than a guy on a boat? What part did you disagree with?
