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 Post subject: Vladimir Putin re-elected as Russian president
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:19 am 
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/04/world/eur ... ?hpt=hp_t3
I dont have the best of feelings about this, I understand that lately the US and Russia have cooperated a tiny bit but this guy always seems to rub the Obama administration the wrong way, despite a "reset" in the relations between the United States and Russia.

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Tiny bit? How tiny? Obama gave 7 Alaska Islands to Russia if I am not mistaken. Oil rich might I add. I'm not sure about all the details, & i'm sure it more to it, but wow... Pat?

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That he got re elected was as clear as butter fits on bread.

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 Post subject: Re: Vladimir Putin re-elected as Russian president
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Putin is old school KGB. As long as he's in charge, Russa is stuck where ther are. Socially, politically, and economically. Putin is the reason we can't do anything in Syria. China just did what they always do, mirror Russa. Truth is, Putin is afraid of an uprising in his own country. Of course he's against UN intervention, his country may be next. Same with China. Should either country need to use force to quell a revolution, they sure don't want the rest of the world sticking thier nose in it.

As far as OB giving away US land to Russa, What these rightwing nutjob's are refering to is a treaty that's almost 22 years old. It was actually signed in 1990 while OB was still in school. It was negotiated in secret by then SOS James Baker and signed in secret by GHW Bush. Truth is OB has little choice but to honor the treaty although that has yet to be seen. But to be very clear here OB inherited this with the rest of the crap. Here's an explanation from one of the more anti OB websites. If they could blame OB they would.
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It’s no secret that I don’t like the illegitimate president Obama, and wish this atrocity could be laid solely at his feet but that is not the case. You have to go back to 1990, when the unconstitutional groundwork for the natural resource giveaway was first hatched. That’s right, republican president and New World Order lover, George H.W. Bush is where the story seems to begin.

This story first broke in 2000 by David M. Bresnahan for World Net Daily.com. Click here to read it: I do not endorse the Zionist Elite statement at the top of the page!

On June 1, 1990, Secretary of State James Baker signed a secret executive agreement with Eduard Shevardnadze, the former U.S.S.R. foreign minister. It specified that even though the treaty had not been ratified, the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. agreed to abide by the terms of the treaty beginning June 15, 1990. The Senate ratified the U.S.-U.S.S.R. Maritime Boundary Treaty in 1991, which was then signed by President George Bush.

The Alaska House & Senate were never consulted on the land grab and violation of states rights, so they teamed with then Governor, Walter J. Hickel to lobby President Bill Clinton to undo the treaty but were not successful. Alaska state Rep. John B. Coghill, R-Dist. 32. sponsored Alaska H.J.R. 27, a resolution that was passed in the state’s House and Senate then enacted by Alaska Gov. John Knowles in 1999. It was intended to “require the federal government to begin a new dialogue with Russia over the disputed maritime borders, insuring that Alaska is sitting at the negotiating table, as well as prevent the impending giveaway of eight Alaskan islands,” said Coghill. (Source David Bresnahan) 2000 WND.

I searched the US State Department website looking for information pertaining to the land give-away but found nothing. Did Obama finalize the deal? Maybe, but George H.W. Bush singed it over two decades ago. The Unites States claims to want energy independence, yet we continue to import half of our oil from middle eastern nations that are our sworn enemies and then kill the Keystone Pipeline deal with Canada. Not to be forgotten is the huge economic impact of the fishing industry in this Alaskan area. ;End;

It's another wild goose chase perpetrated by the Blame OB bunch. At this point there is no evidence that this has even come up in the OB admin, or if OB would support it. What are they gonna blame this guy for next? Viet Nam? He was what 4 or 5 when it started so it must be his fault. These nutsac's are so buisy pointing a finger at OB for thing's he had nothing to do with, they have no credibility. Remember when the UN was gonna ban all gun's in the US? I guess they forgot it takes a 2/3rds majority of both houses to amend the constitution. I know, I know, here I go again with those pesky little details.

They mention Keystone in the article. None of that fuel will be sold here unless gas get's over 5.00 a gallon. Tar sands oil is very expensive to refine as it's heavy/dirty crude. 3 entites will make out on Keystone, the oil companies doing the refining and selling of fuel, Trans Canada, and the pipeline companies. Even the states won't make a dime for at least 5 years due to the tax breaks given by them to Trans Canada. I ran the #'s on this myself, at best we're talking 2200 job's during construction, (If they start the whole thing at once in 25 mile sections) long term around 100 job's. Trans Canada, the oil companies, and the pipeline companies stand to make hundred's of billions if not trillions over the next 10 years. But because they won't be selling it here, the US gov won't make much off it. At least not unless the US tax structure is changed along with subsidies.

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 Post subject: Re: Vladimir Putin re-elected as Russian president
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Once you dig a bit deeper you always get to the truth. I know it wasn't as simple as many made it out to be. Thanks, Pat!

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Well said Pat

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Thanks Pat. Do the ruuskis have any good choice.
It reminded me to turn the I heart back to 610

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The only thing I like about the Russians are their women, they are gorgeous

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The only thing I like about the Russians are their women, they are gorgeous

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Vodka or as we call it Drago/Vladimir

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 Post subject: Re: Vladimir Putin re-elected as Russian president
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Green Tide wrote:
Is good

don't you think? :uplol:

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 Post subject: Re: Vladimir Putin re-elected as Russian president
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rare wrote:
chris21 wrote:
The only thing I like about the Russians are their women, they are gorgeous

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Vodka or as we call it Drago/Vladimir


And the Vodka goggles makes them even more gorgeous :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Vladimir Putin re-elected as Russian president
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Green Tide wrote:
Thanks Pat. Do the ruuskis have any good choice.
It reminded me to turn the I heart back to 610


They did in Mikhail Prokhorov. He's the 3rd richest man in russia and owner of the New jersey Net's basket ball team. He wanted to disolve the Duma, putin's political machine. Took some stones to try that considering the last guy to run against putin was the richest man in russia and he's still in jail. And Putin's friends split up his fortune
anyway Prokhorov lost, but due more to election fraud than anything else. But his party is growing so maybe next time. The stories are many and full of corruption.
But what's scary John is the tea bagger states here are using the same voter registration tactics to try and steal elections across the country. Their reason is to control voter fraud. With #'s as high as 98% of all voter fraud being commited by election officals, not voters, it's real clear this is an attempt to keep people who would and normally do vote democrat, from voting. I say that because it's the poor/disenfranchised and elderly along with solders and students voting absentee ballots who will be affected by these regulations. 3 out of 4 vote overwhelmingly democrat.

In Michigain it's even worse. No less than 500 pieces of legislation were passed last. almost every one was enacted immediately.
The Michigain state constitution thanks to Romney's dad says no law can be enacted until 90 days after the close of that session. The mich. legislature is in session all year. The earliest a bill could be enacted if it passed this ear would be April 1 of the next year. It takes a 2/3 majority of both houses to overrule this. The teabagger/pugnuts don't have a 2/3 majority in either house. They also passed some emergengy management act where the state can appoint an emergency manager to replace the democratically elected local government or offical whoever that may be. This manager has the power to do pertty much anything they want regardless of the wishes of the electorate. THAT BOY'S AND GIRLS IS THE SINGLE MOST FRIGHTENING DEVELOPEMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY 53 YEARS. It's unprecidented in US history. Essentially that says, we don't care who you elected, this guy is in charge. You want to talk Socialism, by definition that is exactly what socialism is. Brought to you by The tea party Fascist's who's motto is, our way or our way. The sooner these NUTSACS get outta our government, the better off this country will be.
They have declaired war on workers right's, womens right's, voting right's, Medicare, social security, the environment, and of course anyone like me who believes no one has a right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body! It's nun of my friggin buisness. Nor is it any of theirs!
OK, end o rant. Back to the art's. :study:

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I have simply lost hope for this country, we are digging ourselves into a pit so deep now all I see on tv are people protesting all the freaking time against our silly government, things just keep spiraling outta control :roll:

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Politics / Media / Money / Power / Selfishness

Thats the mix we got and more than 300 million people being fooled and the worst part is the majority believes what they are being told. Especially by the media.

If media says the snow is black then people believe it. The majority is so conditioned that to me it looks like no one has a own opinion anymore.

Constitution and all - yea right. Freedom of speech and all - yea right. Say something another one doe not like and you will be put on the spot till ya are brought down.

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I hate Politics / Media / Money / Power / Selfishness

I never in my life let money get to me. Always shared even if I barley had enough for myself.

Those who know me know that.

The phrase Money makes the world go round is true but not for you or me cuz the biggens wont let ya have it. They need that power to compensate for small di(k syndrome

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 Post subject: Re: Vladimir Putin re-elected as Russian president
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Ron, the media says that fishing is going to be off the chart tonight at the piers. Do we believe them or is it a hoax :P

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 Post subject: Re: Vladimir Putin re-elected as Russian president
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 Post subject: Re: Vladimir Putin re-elected as Russian president
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Well if you think this is bad you should have seen the nam protests. It was interesting how right they were geopolitically, and how wrong they were to blame the returning solders. Remember, unlike today's all volenteer army, Nam had the draft. You either went to the army or to jail, your choice.

Bottom line, this is why your vote is so important. As it is now, the Replblican party has been hijacked by it's extreme right, and the Democrats have lost any trace of Balls.
In both cases though, never listen to em, look instead at what they've done. How they
vote = who their really working for. This is not the first time the republicans have had this happen, senator Joe McCarthy and his hearings on who was a communist, so enraged the general public the Dem's held the majority from 54 until 94. Their were other factors like unemployment, a recession, bla bla. 9 presidents later they got it back.
History shows that as long as democrat's were in charge of the legislature, the US was the worlds leading innovator. And our economy reflected that. For every dollar the government put into R&D of a private sector technology, they got a 14 dollar return in 5 years.
Here's the thing, the Dem majority, were actually conservative democrats. sounds like an oxymoron don't it. Whats scary here is how much the money is in control today. A couple of months ago Sheldon Addleson, Newt's sugar daddy, was quoted as saying he was willing to spend a billion dollars to get newt in the white house. That didn't happen, but if you think about it, in order to match that amount every man, woman, and child, all 300 million of us would have to give 300.00. The saying "We have the best politicians money can buy' was never truer than it is today. And it will be this way until we get money out of politics once and for all.

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You either went to the army or to jail, your choice.



You forgot C. "Draft Dodger"

Don't you agree? eh!

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Tell me bout it. My dad was in nam twice.

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You either went to the army or to jail, your choice.



You forgot C. "Draft Dodger"

Don't you agree? eh!

Very true Nelson. While the actual #'s of draft dodgers was overstated. What's interesting here is how the country's attitude changed in 75. My Dad, a WWII vet, despised the draft dodgers, but hated the protesters more. Right up till 75, then the Pentagon Papers were leaked. After that he still hated the protesters, only because they were laying blame on the solders instead of the government who sent them there. What changed was his attitude toward's the DD's. It went from "they should all be in jail', to "If they (The government) ever pull this again, Ill take my kid to Canada myself" This from a decorated Airborne vet who made 3 jumps in the war. Sicily, Normandy, and Holland. To say the government he fought for had lost his trust was an under statment.
That also started my now 37 year hobby of watching these nutsac's like a hawk, believing only what they do and nothing they say.
Politics has always been about the money. What's changed is the MSM. Not long ago the MSM was like the paparazzi for politicians. The above mentioned Pentagon papers, Watergate, Iran/contra, all stories that were broke by hungry reporters looking to make a name for themselves. Then comes deregulation of the MSM by the FCC. That gave us media giant's like Rupert Murdoc who previously could not as a foreign national own a US media outlet. Today 2 companies own close to 70% of all nationally syndicated print, radio, and TV media in the US. Murdoc's Fox broadcasting, and Clear channel communications. Take a wild guess who is a princapal owner of clear channel, If you said Mitt romney's Bain Capitol, you were correct. And if you said they still do, you were correct again. In fact guy's like Hannity, & for a short time beck & windbag, and a host of other's are actually double owned by both. How? They have or in beck's & windbag's case had both TV show's on fox and radio shows on clear channel at the same time. Some of you may remember when faux was outed for the liars they really are as it happened right here in florida between 1997 & 2000. Here's the whole story.

In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.

Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve Wilson, were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox “Investigators” team at WTVT in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story about bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance manufactured by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and that Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from cows treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise.

According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very excited about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts. Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired.(Project Censored #12 1997)

Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired by Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's words) “a false, distorted or slanted story” about the widespread use of BGH in dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the same actions taken by FOX.

FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida Second District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the settlement awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre’s threat to report the station’s actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under Florida’s whistle blower statute, because Florida’s whistle blower law states that an employer must violate an adopted “law, rule, or regulation." In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, rule, or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly. (Anybody surprised this happened in Florida?)

During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so.

Liberal media my a$$!

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