Marines Urinating Over Dead Bodies

[Chevy Juan]

Not sure if you guys have seen the footage yet on CNN, but for those who have whats your take on it?..This should be interesting.!

[crashmister]

Doing it= Dumb
Filming it = Really Dumb
Putting it on youtube = That makes me wonder if it's real or not. Whoever posted it covered their tracks well enough that they still have no clue who posted it.

[migs24]

Mommie apparently never taught them "now now little johnny, its not nice to go wee-wee on the obliterated.." .....Also getting your brothers blown up in front of you and and having their brain matter on your face can change a person.. I don't care who you are. *If the video is real... Surprised that's all they showed.

[krash]

If it s real those guys are screwed.. allowing it to be filmed was a stoopid mistake

But doing it, there is a lot of stress put on those guys over there, good thing there were no vid cameras, cellphones, your-tubes in V-Nam..,
and the nay-sayers should walk a hundred feet or so in their shoes before throwing stones.

[swordfish]

Yep... I agree... This is touchy... They go through a LOT. Things that will never ever leave them regardless of what they do. However, it is not kosher either. Neither side should desecrate the dead, but hey believe you me that if the enemy can get their hands on your corpse they will do that and much worse... Remember the beheading videos? Not excusing them, nor condoning it, just saying that we gotta look at reality and it is all screwed up no matter what... Bring them home and lets hope and pray with some love and much needed appreciation we can cycle them back to the real world and shake some of the demons they all carry within due to the harsh realities of war. Also let's all remember the very real quote uttered in antiquity "only the dead have seen the end of war" Plato I believe was credited with that. My .02 cents :-)


-swordfish

[Miamipescador]

They might go through alot and all, but pissing on the dead is unnecessary to say the least.

[Miami_Chris]

they are at war, im sure crazier things happen. but when you are trained to kill, have bullets wizzing ( ) by your head daily, and you watch your friends die, you are not exactly thinking rationally. really dumb they filmed it though....

[fishnfool73]

They are dead I doubt they minded their golden shower. Morons for recording it. Other than that who cares worse has been done to our dead.

[Signguy]

I read somewhere today that this is nothing compared to what used to be done the Muslim. From a 1938 book (Snopes)

It was Colonel Alexander Rodgers of the 6th Cavalry who accomplished by taking advantage of religious prejudice what the bayonets and Krags had been unable to accomplish. Rodgers inaugurated a system of burying all dead juramentados in a common grave with the carcasses of slaughtered pigs. The Mohammedan religion forbids contact with pork; and this relatively simple device resulted in the withdrawal of juramentados to sections not containing a Rodgers. Other officers took up the principle, adding new refinements to make it additionally unattractive to the Moros. In some sections the Moro juramentado was beheaded after death and the head sewn inside the carcass of a pig. And so the rite of running juramentado, at least semi-religious in character, ceased to be in Sulu. The last cases of this religious mania occurred in the early decades of the century. The juramentados were replaced by the amucks. .. who were simply homicidal maniacs with no religious significance attaching to their acts.
As well as:
Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Bob Graham (D-Fla.) cited as an example a dinner he attended last week with people who work on intelligence issues and have connections to the intelligence community. The dinner conversation ranged in part on how U.S. military commander "Black Jack" Pershing used Islam's prohibition on pork to help crush an insurgency on the southern Philippine island of Mindanao after the Spanish-American War at the turn of the last century.

In one instance, Graham explained in an interview, U.S. soldiers captured <NOBR>12 Muslims.</NOBR> They killed six of them with "bullets dipped into the fat of pigs."

After that, Graham said, the U.S. soldiers wrapped the Muslim rebels in funeral shrouds made of pigskin and "buried them face down so they could not see Mecca. Then they poured the entrails of the pigs over them. The other six were forced to watch. And that was the end of the insurrection on Mindanao," Graham noted.

[tom222]

Stupid. Worst of all this will probably result in some of their comrades getting tortured or pissed on, or worse.

[cantseeme47]

First off i don't give one red F@@#$ cent what they think over there... they have done
worst to us and their own.. so F$@# what they think...

Now about us.... hmmmm i can understand it if i was under that type of stress day in and
day out and seeing my buddies blow to bit at time..
that type of chit will change alot of people way of thinking.... would i have done it...
i can't really answer that...

So for people to pass judgement on what they would've done.. well kiss my MARINE rear ... the only
stupid thing was fliming it..WTF!! were they thinking..

and if they would've video back during Vietnam, pissing on dead body would've look like
a cake walk from everything i heard and some pictures i have seen...

I laugh when they say it puts our guys in more harm... REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! chit from my understanding they hope this will bring them
out in the open to fight and quit waiting/hiding...

Before all the Sally get their panty in a bunch> i can say right now at my age that i know
i wouldnt have piss on dead bodies...
but at their ages... (18 and 20yr olds) i can understand it...in a sick kind of way... but again
don't pass judgement on kids fighting over there..
If you're home sitting on your momma couch...

Oh by the way it's real and they already know who the Marines are

[fishnfool73]

Well said JP. If you don't like stuff like this then stop training young men to kill then shipping them overseas into harms way with the power to play God. As far as retaltation not like the Muslim extremists were being nice guys before this televised beheadings ring a bell.

[Chevy Juan]

Well said JP. If you don't like stuff like this then stop training young men to kill then shipping them overseas into harms way with the power to play God. As far as retaltation not like the Muslim extremists were being nice guys before this televised beheadings ring a bell.

Spot on for sure as well IMHO..and Agree with you too Nelson Filming it, as mentioned already is where the problem was man.

[crashmister]

Ask em in a year if they still think it was a good idea.


Four US marines identified by the military as the soldiers filmed urinating on corpses in Afghanistan are likely to face a court martial after an American military commander said such actions are a "grave breach" of the laws of war.

The Naval Criminal Investigation Service (NCIS) has interviewed two of the soldiers featured in the video laughing and making snide remarks as they urinated on the bloodied bodies of three Afghan men, who have not been identified. It is not clear if the men were members of the Taliban.

In attempt to dampen the growing diplomatic storm around the abuse, the commanders of US forces in Afghanistan on Friday ordered American troops to treat the bodies of killed enemies and civilians with "appropriate dignity and respect".

The soldiers were members of a sniper unit that completed a six-month tour of duty in Afghanistan's Helmund province in September and returned to Camp LeJuene in North Carolina where the video was passed around. The two others are believed to have left the military.

The nature of the charges are unclear although desecrating bodies is a crime under US military law and the Geneva conventions.

The deputy commander of US forces in Afghanistan, lieutenant general Curtis Scaparrotti, said in a message to troops on Friday that "defiling, desecrating, mocking, photographing or filming for personal use insurgent dead constitutes a grave breach" of laws governing armed conflict. He said it also violates "basic standards of human decency, and can cause serious damage to relations with the Afghan government".

The US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, said she believed the men may be guilty of a war crime.

"Anyone, anyone found to have participated or know about it, having engaged in such conduct, must be held fully accountable," she said.

In the 39-second video, the four soldiers in combat gear and carrying weapons are seen acting in unison as they stand over the corpses and urinate. They sigh and laugh. One of the marines says "Have a great day, buddy" while another comments "Golden, like a shower".

They are clearly not concerned at being caught. One of them asks a fifth soldier who is filming the incident: "You got it on the video?"

It is not publicly known who posted the footage of the incident on the web, which prompted a wave of denunciations.

The Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, called the soldiers' actions "inhumane" and the US defence secretary, Leon Panetta, said that after watching the video he found it "utterly deplorable".

But the actions of the soldiers were not met with universal disapproval. A prominent anti-Muslim activist in New York, Pamela Geller, who was at the forefront of the campaign against an Islamic centre near ground zero and has been embraced by some mainstream Republicans including Newt Gingrich, praised the soldiers for desecrating the Afghan corpses who she called "murderous savages".

"I love these marines. Perhaps this is the infidel interpretation of the Islamic ritual of washing and preparing the body for burial," she wrote on her blog, Atlas Shrugs.

Geller leads two groups, the Freedom Defence Initiative (FDI) and Stop Islamisation of America (SIOA) that have become increasingly influential as conservative politicians seek to exploit anti-Muslim sentiment in the US.

The marine corps has launched its own inquiry led by a general and a senior lawyer.

"Rest assured that the institution of the marine corps will not rest until the allegations and the events surrounding them have been resolved," said the corps' commander, general James Amos.

[xtheline]

I'd do it!

[JWORM904]

F the Talibon, check out the show Bomb Squad : Afganistan. Shows the real shat going down over their.

[Chevy Juan]

Well said marine, very well said...

[tom222]

I was a light weapons infantry grunt in Nam - and I still say it was stupid. It brought dishonor to the Marines, one of the premier fighting forces we have. Brought us down to the level of the enemy. Now, unfortunately, these good marines will face, at a minimum, dishonorable discharge - a stigma that will follow them for the rest of their lives. Stupid for doing it, more stupid for letting it be filmed.

[wylie]

What happens in a war zone ,such as this ,should not be judged.The media shouldnt be showing it ,and then acting like they are so great,and passing judgement. All they do is make it harder for the troops.Not long ago a navy seal got in trouble for punching a taiban in the mouth,common were at war after 911.They would love to kill a million of our men, women and children,they have said.

[tom222]

If it's not reported you ultimately end up with Dachau and Auschwitz scenarios.

[cudaman]

They were plain stupid for letting it be filmed.

[PhishingPhanatic]

They were plain stupid for letting it be filmed.

I couldn't give 2 craps about some Taliban fighters that were killed, they can leave them to rot in a latrine as far as I'm concerned. But the problem is that what they did, and having it go viral on the internet, put the Marines on the same level as the scumbags that they are fighting. This really isn't that different from the videos Al Quaeda puts on Al-Jazeera where they are decapitating American POWs and journalists. All this will do is give the radical Muslims more ammo to use and recruit more people.

I have no doubt that things like this, and much worse, happened in other wars we fought. The big difference is that there was not technology available that allowed what they did to be posted on the internet instantly.

[crashmister]

Jetty, here's how another Marine feel's about it. I happen to agree with him.

Alex Lemons, a former Marine sergeant who deployed to Iraq three times – including once as scout sniper – reflects on the video of four Marines urinating on the corpses of three dead Taliban in Afghanistan:

This is all very painful to me on so many different levels. Back in 2004 one of my fellow snipers shot someone in a mosque in Fallujah. You will probably remember it getting on TV. It was very confusing. I have tried stopping things like this before or I’ve been a coward and let them happen.

In my eyes, there are several discomforting or significant things about this event:

– If you aren’t surprised and disgusted by this as a combatant, veteran or as a civilian whose country has been at war for a decade, then maybe you need to take a look in the mirror. Have you become this callous?

– I’d like to know how many tours those grunts have been on. Do we know what condition they are in mentally? Are any on medications?



– This happened a lot in Fallujah II 2004 and I have a couple explanations. There were a lot of kids who imitated things they saw or read in Vietnam War films or literature. You always look back on the last war to explain your own.

Sometimes, Marines needed to take pictures and laugh about the death swirling around them because if they took it seriously and grieved then they would not be able to function and continue the fight.

Sometimes, Marines were simply brutal and took trophy photos or pissed or defecated on bodies because it actually felt good after you had been fighting someone for a hour or a day.

Maybe it was also the kind of fighting, insurgency, that produced experiences like this. You fight ghosts (IEDs, booby traps, snipers, potshots, loudspeaker recordings) and when you finally get one enemy grunt who isn’t even in a uniform you choose to take out all the frustrations of fighting an invisible enemy on a lifeless but symbolic corpse.

– Events like this have the power of a stone thrown into a calm lake. The circumstances and people that created the rippling effects are irrelevant. We don’t know who the dead men are, if they had weapons or if they were simply pushing that wheelbarrow around. It’s too late to ask those questions outside of a tribunal.

Anyone looking at the United States presence is going to hold this up as a symbol for all our actions past, present and future. That might sound like too high of a standard to measure ourselves against, but purportedly this is the principle we stand for and fight on.

– War is not a moral agent. “War is hell, poop happens and trophies get taken,” is a copout from an irresponsible person. War doesn’t make anyone do anything because it is not a living thing.

People make war and they make choices in war. Most of these choices are made along the lines of rules of engagement, other war conventions, and training.

The Marine Corps doesn’t teach anyone to do this.

Choices were made and they were not good ones. This is what maintains our moral high ground. It doesn’t matter if the Taliban cut heads off and videotape them.

The whole point, as I was told since 2001, was not to become like them, or to be comparable to them.