Exactly. Not political rhetoric, but doing and saying the right thing. No more BS....

Exactly Rob! Is that really too much to ask?

Evidently yes... Shame of it is, if we vote all of the bums out, they're replaced by yet again more bums....

I really wish "normal people" could run for office, but the cost is just too high for us 'po folks'.

The Miami Herald oSunday' Paper- A little in what Jetty was talking about here at home on the front page.

"Government Employees Pension Bonanza." South Florida elected officials gave out retirement benefits. Especially to police & firefighters that are bleeding their cities dry. Now, that are trying to slash benefits for the next generation of retirees.

Yep, let us first start here at home.

LOL



Pat, keyword was. Today it's like living in a negative society. The majority want to only see the bad, rather than the good being reported. And I agree, people in washington should be held accountable on the things they say. Most, if not all politicians are habitchual liars with the intention to deceive for political and personal gains. Wanna generate revenue without raising taxes? Implement a law that slaps fines on politicians whenever they lie to the public. It wouldn't be deficit reduction, it would be surplus increase.

Rob, I checked out some information on the CCC depression era program the other day.

It was excellent reading material, thanks for sharing

Jetty is right. I wouldn't doubt that some of those jobs in washington that were created are nothing more than a tax burden on tax payers. I don't know the specifics on who, what, when and where, but by judging how efficient washington is, more were probably employed than what is needed. If you have five people on pay roll doing the job that one person can do at the rate of one thousand dollars per week. Over the course of fifty two weeks, that's a hundred and ninety two thousand dollars that taxpayers will have to pay out of pocket on wasteful government spending. If this is happening for hundreds of jobs, it could add up rather quickly into the millions of dollars per year.

The Miami Herald Government Employees Pension Bonanza story though seems slightly different. For anyone that works a government job where your life could be taken away instantaneous. Be it police, fire rescue, armed forces, etc, you should be compensated accordingly. The only one that I think is questionable is the lady that was working the 911 call center that is getting a $182,000 yearly pension. Who would have guessed that the politicians knew it could become a problem in the future, but still proceeded. The pensions we're paid in for 25 years without any questioning, now when it's time to receive payout they want to screw around? I'd be pissed if I was one of those cops or fire fighters.


Page 4.

Lawton Chiles vetoed it knowing that it had a chance of high cost, Jeb Bush should have done the same.

It was a direct labor effort that improved the country and put people to work. Sure beats unemployment in my simple mind.

Denny I just read an article that made an excelent case how the Medicare prescription drug plan will actually cost more of the budget than OB's health care plan. Here it is,

AP Enterprise: GOP won't touch Medicare drug plan
Email Story Print By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, AP
51 minutes ago


WASHINGTON — Republicans want to pull the plug on the health care overhaul they call "Obamacare," blaming it in part for the United States' ballooning budget deficit.

But they're quiet when it comes to the Medicare drug benefit — another massive health care entitlement, with unfunded future costs over $7 trillion.

Arguably, it could be driving up the deficit more than President Barack Obama's ambitious health care plan is.

But when the Republican presidential candidates were asked last week asked if they would repeal the Medicare drug benefit, they said no way. After all, Republicans created it.

Debt and deficit are the focus of the Republican Party as the 2012 presidential campaign moves through the nominating process and looks ahead to the general election. Yet the reluctance of GOP candidates to renounce a costly entitlement program that voters like shows how politics can come into play when critiquing the federal ledger.

Passed by a GOP-led Congress in 2003 under President George W. Bush, the prescription program is immensely popular with older people, faithful voters who lately have been trending Republican.

Medicare recipients pay only one-fourth of the cost of the drug benefit. Because there's no dedicated tax to support the program, the other three-fourths comes from the government's general fund. That's the same leaky pot used for defense, law enforcement, education and other priorities. It's regularly refilled with borrowed dollars that balloon the deficit.

Although the health care law costs far more than the drug benefit, it's paid for, at least on paper. It includes unpopular Medicare cuts as well as tax increases on insurers, drug and medical device companies, upper-income people, and even indoor tanning devotees.

Asked last week at the tea party debate if they would repeal the prescription program, GOP candidates would hear nothing of it.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry said he would not, even though he said he's concerned about its cost. Cracking down on waste and fraud might be the answer, he suggested.

"I wouldn't repeal it," said former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. He said he would restructure Medicare, but not for those now in the program or nearing retirement. The re-engineering supported by House Republicans this year and praised by Romney at the time would give future retirees a voucher-like payment to buy insurance from a range of private plans.

Texas Rep. Ron Paul noted that he'd voted against the prescription benefit, but said repeal "sure wouldn't be on my high list. I would find a lot of cuts (in) a lot of other places."

Budget hawks scoff.

"I'm an equal opportunity critic here," said David Walker, a former head of the congressional watchdog agency. "I think the Republicans were irresponsible for passing the Medicare prescription program in 2003 and I think the Democrats were irresponsible for passing" Obama's health overhaul.

As comptroller general of the Government Accountability Office for most of the past decade, Walker used his position to call attention to the nation's long-term budget problems at a time when the debt wasn't front-page news. He now leads the Comeback America Initiative, a nonpartisan group promoting fiscal responsibility.

"There was no attempt to offset the cost of the Medicare prescription bill," Walker said. "It's fair to say that at least there was an attempt to pay" for the health law through a mix of spending cuts and tax increases.

How big is the hole left by the prescription program? Over the next 75 years, its $7.5 trillion "unfunded obligation" exceeds the $6.7 trillion gap attributable to Social Security.

"When they were designing the new health care law, the experience of the Medicare prescription bill was very much in their minds," said Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan group advocating fiscal discipline. "They didn't want to have another unfunded expansion."

Experts can debate whether future Congresses will suspend Obama's Medicare cuts and whether the long-range cost of extending coverage to more than 30 million uninsured will outpace the revenue to pay for it.

As the reactions of the GOP candidates at the debate demonstrated, no one is seriously considering repeal of the prescription program.

Thanks to taxpayers, about 90 percent of older people now have affordable access to medications that help keep them out of the hospital. Roughly two-thirds of those are enrolled in Medicare's benefit; many others are in former employers' prescription plans.

Ironically, repealing Obama's overhaul would take away the most important improvement to the program since it was created. Obama's law gradually eliminates the dreaded coverage gap known as the doughnut hole. Millions of people will each save thousands of dollars as a result.

Republicans like to point out that the cost of the prescription program is well below original estimates. They attribute that to competition among the private insurers providing the benefit.

While competition is part of the story, experts say it's not the only reason. The shift to cheaper generic drugs among people of all ages has been a powerful contributor. That may not last forever. The trustees who oversee Medicare's finances warn in their latest report that spending on drugs will rise more rapidly in the future.

Said Walker: "Basically what's happening is we're mortgaging the future of our children and grandchildren, and borrowing the money from China."

The plan in and of itself is great! My Mom is on it and it really help's. My problem with it from the start is, 1. It was never funded. and 2. They never negotiated a bulk price. Anybody who buy's in volume alway's get's a reduced price, unless you're buying from a group of major campagin contributors. Instead they go after the union's. So it's ok for drug companies to make obscene profit's off of a government program, but it's not OK for people to organize and collectively bargain to improve their way of life. Look at Ryan's budget, it's the single largest tax increase on the middle class in history so I've read. Yet, they refuse to touch the wealthy. Hard not to see a pattern here. Like Rob said, they say one thing, yet they are doing and have done the exact opposite.
I also wanted to mention that the # of gov. job's OB is being saddled with, includes the census takers that were hired to do the constitutionally required 2011/12 census. So even that # is not accurately represented. These people would have had to have been hired regardless of who was president.

Hey Rob! Did you know that Hoover Dam was a Civilian Conservation Corps project?

So were;
Some of the projects credited to the CCC:

•Hoover Dam (aka Boulder Dam)
•The Blue Ridge Parkway
•Big Bend National Park
•Carlsbad Caverns National Park
•Over 800 state parks, including:
◦Cathedral Gorge State Park, Nevada
◦Fort Mountain State Park, Georgia
◦Lake Corpus Christi State Park, Texas
◦O'Leno State Park, Florida
◦Pocahontas State Park, Virginia
◦Voorhees State Park, New Jersey

To understand the scale of the work done by the CCC, in the 9 year span participants built:

•32,149 wildlife shelters
•1,865 drinking fountains
•204 lodges and museums
•3,116 lookout towers
•27,191 miles of fences
•8,304 foot and horse bridges
•38,550 vehicle bridges

Wow, that's screwed up, and speaking of screwed up, have you seen what's been going on this week? Washington has machined another crisis, just like the debt ceiling, but this time it pertains to fema funding. If there's no resolution in a timely manner, there's risk of a government shutdown.

Denny; From what I understand they want to cut funding from a stimulus program to fund the FEMA short fall. Just more proof that a balanced budget amendment is not practical or realistic.

FEMA Budget Shortfall: Provide Emergency Funding

In toppling beach-front homes and flooding entire towns, Hurricane Irene may also have blown a hole in Congress' budget negotiations — and in conservatives' campaign against government spending.

As if to emphasize the point, the remnants of Tropical Storm Lee have worked their way up from the Gulf of Mexico into the Northwest, compounding the flooding. Officials called for 120,000 people to evacuate.

In Texas, Gov. Rick Perry, a critic of federal spending who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, said, "I full well expect the federal government to come in to do their part." Texas, which is in a deep drought, has experienced one of its worst wildfire seasons. Perry seeks a federal major disaster declaration and the funding that would come with it.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency is already short of funding for disaster relief, with nearly three months left in what is already an active hurricane season.

The heavily indebted national flood insurance program — which FEMA also runs and which gets the bill for much of the damage from the Irene and Lee floods, will expire at the end of September, unless Congress grants an extension.

Warning flags went up Monday, when FEMA announced it was freezing some aid to tornado- and flood-wracked communities in the South and Missouri in order to help Irene's victims on the Atlantic Coast and in the Northeast. FEMA's policy is to focus on immediate response rather than long-term rebuilding.

BIPARTISAN COMPLAINTS

The decision drew bipartisan criticism from Missouri's U.S. senators, Democrat Claire McCaskill and Republican Roy Blunt.

"If FEMA can't fulfill its promise to our state because we have other disasters, that's unacceptable," Blunt said in a statement, "and we need to take a serious look at how our disaster response policies are funded and implemented."

But Blunt and other members of Congress are well aware of how FEMA's policies are funded and implemented. The agency has warned Congress for months of the impending shortfall.

House Republicans put $1 billion in additional funding for disaster relief into a spending measure for fiscal 2012. But, to help pay for it, they cut funding for other FEMA programs. Senate Democrats rightly rejected the proposal.

As Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., put it: "Does it really make sense to pay response-and-reconstruction costs for past disasters by reducing our capacity to prepare for and respond to future disasters?"

Yet, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., was still insisting on the tit-for-tat strategy after Irene struck. Cantor said Congress would find money for disaster relief, but added: "We're just going to need to make sure that there are savings elsewhere to continue to do so."

Cantor and other conservatives can't seem to grasp that there are times when immediate human needs outweigh dollars and cents. One of those times is when people's homes and communities have been destroyed by a natural disaster such as Irene.

It will be interesting to see if House Republicans hew to the same hard line as the troubled flood insurance program comes up for renewal.

The program, which covers flood damage to homes and businesses, is $18 billion in debt, due mostly to Hurricane Katrina's impact in 2005.

EXTEND FLOOD PROGRAM

A long-term deal is unlikely. A House-passed bill would let premiums rise up to 20 percent a year. The Senate is still working on a bill that allows rates to rise as much as 15 percent annually.

Congress has been wrestling with the legislation for years, while granting annual extensions as the September deadline nears.

While the program is overdue for reform that would not only raise premiums but discourage construction in flood-prone areas, now is not the time for prolonged debate. A short-term extension should be granted as soon as possible.

The victims of Irene, Lee and that Texas wildfires — and those of the tornadoes and earlier floods, and of disasters yet to come — can't wait until the federal budget is hashed out.

They need help now, and Congress should see that they get it.

Pat, If it's not one thing, it's another. As long as the good can outweigh the bad, that's all that should matter.

It's just mission impossible when you have things like this...

Seriously Guys!! Knowbody cares about your opinions on this subject. Never ending!!!! Get over it!

Well, with six hundred and seven views, I'd say a few people care. Considering you live in Florida, the Hurricane capitol of the US, and we're talking about how this whole budget debate has now effected FEMA, The folk's who are responsible for subsidizing the state disaster releife fund, and the insurance companies in the event of a Hurricane disaster.
Maybe you don't realise it, but this whole discussion either will, or already does affect you, me, and everyone else in this country. The whole reason we're in this mess is because too many people aren't paying attention. Believe me, the politicians are counting on that. It's your country, if you don't care then shame on you.

IF you have an opinion to add, do it. Criticizing, just to criticize.... don't.

Your friendly (today) moderator....

That's just it, Pat! By The People For The People;They (WE) don't know what to do or how they can help the problem. How can we address the problems when the top guns can't even fix it them self. Where do we start? I believe that's what JWORM904 was venting about

You can start by writing to your state representatives. Tell them exactly how you feel on whatever issues. Trust me, those top guns in washington know exactly what needs to be done in order to fix our problems. Most, if not all are lawyers. They're very intelligent, but play stupid. It allows them to get away with murder. I can almost guarantee one hundred percent that everyone in washington comes from weathy backgrounds, with even wealthier family ties connecting them to lobbiest and corporations. The reason why it's problem, after problem, is that these politicians are prolonging the recovery because they and all their butt buddies are raking in huge profits.

CE,

It will take sheer numbers of people to write on the same subject to make some kind of movement/dent towards any given agenda. I would like to know here on boatless; how many have written to their representatives?! What did your write about? Was anything done.... lllena ros- doesnt not heart me. She never listen to what I have to say...

rare, it doesn't take a sheer number of people to write to make some kind of statement. If you remember the Boca Raton beach fishing ban, boatless members did write to representatives to express their concerns. Yeah, it wasn't Washington representatives, but they were representatives none the less. You may not know this, but there's always constant protesting in Washington, the media doesn't show it, so many are unaware. The last protest happened a couple weeks ago over the tar sands pipeline. Thousands of people showed up to chant in what they believe in. Their protesting was to make sure Obama stops from allowing the world's dirtiest oil to run along the keystone pipeline to Texas refineries. It's a catastrophe waiting to happen if they allow it, especially with all the proposed republican oil deregulation. It does make a difference to voice out, even though it may seem like a waste of time.

Denny is spot on here. As I have said many times, Politicians fear 2 things. 1. the truth. 2. An educated electorate. Simply put, that's voters who can see through their BS. So how do you see through their BS?

http://www.factcheck.org/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

If every voter spent just an hour each on these 2 pages once a month, they would know who is lying to them.
What's going on in Washington now is not about anything other than control. The pug's had it, and they want it back. As you'll find on the 2 site's above, they will say or do anything to get it back.
Another thing to watch out for is lables. "Job killing" being the most popular right now. Whatever they (The pug's) don't like instantly becomes a Job killer.
Like Bachman and the "Job killing EPA". She has pledged to "Lock the door's" on the EPA to put people back to work. Interesting approach considering the EPA employes about 20,000 people in the public sector and close to 200,000 in the private sector. So why do it? Simple, she get's to trim 20,000 paychecks from her budget and over 180,000 paychecks from her party contributors.
"Tax cut's create job's" is another proven mith. If it were true, the US would have more job's than people right now. They've been in affect for 10 years.
Then there's "Tax cut's pay for them selves". Really? Explain the deficit.
"The failed stimulus" is another one. Rick Perry likes to use that one allot. Even though while he was trashing it, he was also taking the most money from it. In 2010 he made up 97 percent on his states budget shortfall with stimulus dollars. This year it was closer to 98. It's true the stimulus did not work as well as they said or hoped it would. but according to the non partisan CBO (Congressional budget office) it did create and/or save 2.3 million job's. And was a major factor in stopping the recession from becoming a depression.
The dem's are just as bad when it come's to telling the truth. But their more about spining the fact's and figures to support their positions. But at least their the same kind of thievs and liers we had 20 years ago. But at least their still willing to comprimise.

The tea bagger influence on the pug's that's creating the "my way or the highway" environment in the Republican party is really whats creating most of the impasses in Congress right now. When you look at the 83 tea baggers in congress right now what you find is 78 trust fund babies. Like Congressman Joe Walsh of IL. A tea party conservative who is one of OB's most outspoken budget critics. He also was born rich and he is currently a hundred grand in arrears in child support and his home is in forclosure. Pot meet kettle. This guy got almost no Republican support, but the tea baggers love him.

While OB is no boy scout when it comes to telling the truth, Much of what he get's blamed for really had nothing to do with him. In the last 8 months I've gotten probably 2 dozen viral emails about OB and Michell. Of them all but 2 were completely false and the 2 were mostly false and out of context. Some of them are actually funny if you're from Chicago. Like the one where he voted to "Ban Handguns" in Chicago. That's a real trick considering he never held a Chicago city council seat and never actually had a vote.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, but it's all in the 2 site's I posted above. It's in everyones best interest to be informed and vote. Not campagining here, just some examples of the difference between the actual truth and what's being said.

Pat, one of the main reasons why republican politicians push for lower funding for today's education is to make sure the future can be as stupid and ignorant as possible.

You know Denny, that always sounded to me like something you'd hear from somebody wearing a tinfoil hat, an unfounded and irresponsible statement made by ignorant uninformed people who just don't get it.

Then I read this. It's the short version but his statement about education is almost an exact quote of what you just said. It's at the bottom.

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GOP Defector Spills the Beans
Sep 5, 2011 2:51 PM EDT Mike Lofgren loyally served the GOP on Capitol Hill for 28 years. But no longer. Michael Tomasky on what the defection of a Republican staffer tells us about the state of the party.

Many people are buzzing about an article at truthout.org by one Mike Lofgren, a longtime Republican staff aide on Capitol Hill who just couldn’t take the crazy anymore, left his job, and produced this buzzy (and quite well-written) lamentation about his party’s tactics and goals. If you haven’t read it, you must. There was nothing in there that surprised me. I’ve been saying all these things for a long time (as have many others). What continues to dumbfound me is why Lofgren’s assertions are even controversial, because as long as they remain so, “neutral” observers who deny this reality bear some responsibility for the sad shape our politics is in.


I should say before we get to the gravamen of Lofgren’s case that there is something in pieces like this that is a little bit too convenient for my side: a Republican with three decades of service to his party writes a scabrous attack on them, and it’s eloquent to boot! It makes me proceed with a little caution. On the other hand, James Fallows wrote over the weekend that while Lofgren was unknown to most of us, “among people who have covered or worked in the national-security field, he is a familiar and highly esteemed figure.” Jim being one of the very top journalists in the country, that’s a pretty valuable testimonial that eases the mind somewhat.


The Lofgren piece is full of harsh observations and accusations, but here’s just a little sampling:

Presidential candidates at a GOP debate in Manchester, N.H., in June, John Tully / Corbis

• The debt-ceiling debate was an act of “political terrorism,” in which the GOP concocted a crisis and used it to ensure that the party's unprecedented demands were met. He writes: “Everyone knows that in a hostage situation, the reckless and amoral actor has the negotiating upper hand over the cautious and responsible actor because the latter is actually concerned about the life of the hostage, while the former does not care.”

• The August FAA reauthorization fight was another instance such of hostage-taking: “Republicans were willing to lay off 4,000 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) employees, 70,000 private construction workers, and let FAA safety inspectors work without pay, in fact, forcing them to pay for their own work-related travel—how prudent is that?—in order to strong arm some union-busting provisions into the FAA reauthorization.”

• The GOP plan to discredit government in the people’s eyes is very conscious: “A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress's generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner.”

• As for belief as opposed to tactics, the party basically really cares only about the rich. Actually, Lofgren doesn’t say “basically.” He says “solely and exclusively.” And he explains how they’ve camouflaged this with talk of protecting small businesses and so on.

There is much, much more. He’s not very happy either about his party’s militarism, its cynical use of religion, its total opposition to doing anything about the environment, and other matters, but most especially its neo-Leninist posture in which political power trumps everything.


When Lofgren first started working on the Hill, in 1983, the House and Senate were still full of moderate Republicans—and even Reagan himself was a quisling by today’s standards.
Some with short memories may ask, how could such a person have been a Republican anyway? Answer: there used to be loads of Republicans like Lofgren. George H.W. Bush and his EPA secretary, William Reilly, put the first serious cap-and-trade proposals on the table. When Lofgren first started working on the Hill, in 1983, we were into the Reagan Revolution, granted, but the House and Senate were still full of moderate Republicans, and even Reagan himself, as has often been observed, was a quisling by today’s standards. And if you want to go back to Lofgren’s youth ... well, Google Thomas Kuchel or Charles Percy.

I spend a part of virtually every day wondering where all this will lead. Will this fever break in two years? Five? Ten? What if it doesn’t break until, oh, 2028? Or never? The goals of today’s conservative movement are, shall we say, audacious. No public old-age pensions. No public old-age medical coverage. Taxes far, far lower than they are now, especially on that blessed and praiseworthy top 1 percent. Regulations gutted to the point of nonexistence. All achieved through the kind of political-terrorism tactics Lofgren describes. It’s going to take them time to accomplish these things. Our system moves slowly, even for Leninists. But there is no reason to think they won’t keep at it for many years to come.

Every time I hear NPR (that allegedly socialistic outfit) describe the latest act of terrorism in neutral terms, the reporter taking care to blame “both sides,” interviewing an expert who is prudent enough to know that on NPR’s 501(c)(3) air she must, if she wants to be quoted again someday, hold responsible the mysterious and mostly unnamable failings of the amorphous “system” for this or that Republican hostage-taking exercise, I wonder if these people hear themselves and understand how they’re misleading America. NPR is better than most places, so surely they must, just as many elected Republicans must just as surely be a little ashamed of how they’re acting in public. What can change it? Only a crisis (I mean an actual one) so deep and threatening that even NPR must call things what they are, and even some Republicans must say, “OK, there is such a thing as collective action, and we’d better undertake it.” Until then? More Lofgrens.

In this article Denny, Lofgren quotes this statment from a former repug senator from North Carolina who also defected recently.

This effort by the GOP is nothing more than a Trojan horse designed to turn back the clock on decades of progress and excellence in North Carolina’s public education system. I have no doubt that the ultimate goal for the Republicans is to overturn the Leandro case (which ensures low-income families have access to education services), de-fund our schools and completely dismantle public education in North Carolina…Republicans in the General Assembly are attempting to return to an era of extreme inequality in public education.

•The recent Minnesota government shut down ended with Republicans winning a concession from Democrats to stem the state budget shortfall by delaying $700 million in school funding.
•In Wisconsin, Gov. Scott Walker famously hobbled collective bargaining rights for teachers’ unions this year – even in the face of a massive populist uprising. But did you also know that Walker’s plan slashes school budgets by $834 million over the next two years? In fact, education cuts make up 20% of Wisconsin’s total budget cuts. Furthermore, Walker has ensured that schools can’t make up for the shortfall by raising local property taxes.
•Detroit public school teachers are taking a 10% wage cut and will pay more for health care. At the same time that the Michigan financial “emergency manager,” Roy Roberts, asks teachers to “sacrifice,” he is being chauffeured around in a new $40,000 Chevrolet Tahoe bought by the state.
•The 3,000 schools in Florida’s public school districts will receive zero (ZIP) from the state this year for additions or needed repairs to thousands of aging buildings, while the 350 Republican-favored charter schools have scored the full $55 million pie allocated by the Public Education Capital Outlay program.
The problem is this: If you keep schools underfunded, block preschoolers from accessing early education, keep teachers perpetually unsatisfied, and allow schools to crumble, you are wreaking serious havoc with the future economic security of those passing through the U.S. educational system.

A recent study revealed that only 32% of U.S. students rate as proficient in mathematics, putting American students in 32nd place out of the 65 tested countries – the essence of mediocrity. The same report concluded that the U.S. could increase per capita GDP growth by nearly $1 trillion per year by enhancing its students’ math skills, bringing them on par with students in Canada and South Korea. The trouble is: Republicans don’t care about increasing per capita worth, because that means spreading the wealth around.

Needless to say Denny, I believe it now.