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BF's Quick guide to nailing Big fish on the Keys Bridges

Postby BoatlessFisherman » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:21 am

Boatless Fishermans Quick guide to nailing fish

Lesson 1
Snook and Tarpon fishing on the keys Bridges at night on live shrimp


Rod of choice 7 foot custom but a penn slamer or something of that nature works well.

Reel of choice Spinning reel, Shemano Bait runner 6500 spooled with 15lb test or 20lb line, I prefer 15lb.
Other reels Penn 650 or anything of this size.

Leader 40 or 50 lb test Mono, I use 40lb test

Live shrimp is good for Tarpon and Snook at night,
Freelined, with a split shot on out going produces the most fish.
Cast out into the Bay "Gulf side and allow current to bring back and go under bridge, bite will happen either just before or at bridge straight down, if it happens under bridge good chance its a nice eaten size Mangrove 2lbs or more, I believe others will concure "always wanted to use that word"LOL.

Now the bite will be almost not noticeable, if you hold your rod under your arm and tap the butt with a quick light tap this is what a hit feels like, crank up and set, your on.

Now the Split shot is for depth and the reason is the Snook are on the bottom and Tarpon are on the top, get it more weight produces Snook and closer to the surface produces Tarpon.

Secret
Snook like the ends closer to the shore and do not normally stack up further than 8 pylons out from my experience.
Tarpon like the ends and the center channels of bridges where the water flow is good


Lesson 2
Bait Catching in the Keys


Bait rod of choice
5 foot custom mighty rod this is my rod one of a kind.
But any light rod and reel will do with light line 10 lb test or less

Pinfish- This can be done in the daytime.
Any grass beds you pass on the road on your drive down should have some pinfish, a chicken rig, Drop rig Multiple hook rig what ever you want to call it. The hooks I like to use is number 12 or 10 gold bait hooks.
Tip with little pieces of shrimp and cast out into grass bed and wait for light pull or tug. you can also buy a Pinfish trap at Jacks on the way down in Florida city.

Pilchards, Greenies, Threadherring and other baitfish
Daytime use Sabikis Bait rig or gold hook bait rig and work Shadow lines you should be able to see them.

Nighttime which I think is best you will need a coleman lantern on a rope to lower down around where you are fishing they will come into the light and school up and again use Sabikis or gold bait rig, sometime you do need to bait with some shrimp or squid itty bitty piece, but mostly you don't
Best if you have a live well to keep alive or Down Buckets to keep alive fresher bait is best.

Crabs-these can be hard to get on a bridge in the keys, I buy at Jacks or catch before I go.
But if I do not have I then do the search while bait fishing in the light.
You will need a castnet.
As seaweed passes on its way out at night check as it gets close for what I call the hitchhikers, the crabs will climb up on it to stay safe because there is hungry critters in that there water.
You will also get big ones that will come up and feed in the light also.
Take all crabs and release none, the big ones cut into 4 sections when used and the ones that can be cut in half do that to them. The ones that are silver dollar size use whole with diggers and claws taken off.
Do not remove Claws and diggers form ones you cut.

I have found traps to be worthless because of current and the only time you can use on is at Current change if you choose to use.

Lesson 3
Permit Fishing the Keys bridges


Rod of choice
Conventional reel Shemano Triton 4gt Star drag on 9 foot Star noodle rod with 30 or 40 pound test, you can go light if you have know obstructions, like other bridges.

But any rod and reel that can handle a heck of a run and fight.

All of the bridges have Permit, by nature they like to set up behind pylons and feed on what is pulled through and around the pylons, another secret.

Now some will say HUH, yes if you look at bridges like Long key, Channel two, Channel 5 and you see them sitting up an under the other bridge between two Pylons right, now remeber they are right in front of you looking at you, not looking away, now if you look down on the bridge you are on its a pylon they are behind, just 40 feet back from that pilon and feeding into that current running around it.

If I see them sitting on a shadow line facing open water they are not feeding from my experience, they are sleeping or just trying to piss me off. LOL

If I see them I don't normally get alot of hits if any.
I like color in the water so I can't see the bottom, because I know they are there.

Typical rig that I use is a bottom rig this is a sliding sinker on the main line and then attached to a swivel and then a leader of 60 lb test and a hook no smaller then a 6/0, I have really started to like Circle hooks for these fish as you will see why in a minute.

I hook the crab through the membrane that you will see at the joint of the legs were it meets its body I go in one side and out the other side of the leg so this way the hook pulls easy, you can also hook up through an edge of the shell by going through the underneath area and out through the top.

I cast out into current moving away from me and find more in areas like under other bridges next to the one I am fishing, I place my Crab about 20 to 30 feet from the bridge that I am fishing from.

I work up and down the bridge working numerous areas, or I set up numerous rods and put them out, this is not a good idea because if they move in and hit at once which i have seen happen you can have three fish on at the same time and if they don't drop it, your rod is gone if you can't get to it because they can run a good bit of line in know time.

Now when fish for permit I find they hit two ways:

1. Screamer and it runs and if you can get to it and you are using circles just lock down and crank and make sure you sink the hook "NOT SET THE HOOK" sink-this means a ever so light set as you reel, they have gummy mouths so I find I need to sink it.

2. The typical Pompano hit the tip bobs up and down as they crush the crab, sometimes they will pull a little line, in this case when you pick up the rod and take all slack out you will notice your line is moving or you may even be able to feel the fish on the other end in any case when using circle hooks just crank up and sink.

If using J hooks or any old school hook Set up as soon as possible.
These fish do not need time to eat if they have hit the bait ,they have crushed it in 2 or 3 bites, it is common to feel the hook go dink out of its mouth when timing is off and a second to late has occurred.

If I think, I hook or crank what ever type of hook I am using I just go for it.

Just hold on and don't get worried if he runs you out just stay cool this fish will tire and if he is not coming back easy or has gone around a pylon I do what I call walk the dog, this is stop reeling when he stops and begin to crank your rod in slowly as to lead him in it really works just do it slowly, he will come right around the pylon.


Lesson 4
Snapper Fishing the big ones out

Snapper is my favorite fish, I was a Mutton Snapper in another Life I think. LOL

Rod is 9 foot with a conventional with 40lb test.

Big Snapper rig I like to use is a typical bottom rig.
Weight is a Bank 4oz normally, this and is put on main line and then bead "bead if you like" and the line is tied to a swivel 50lb test minimum and then to your leader 50lb test and above, the leader I use is between 3 foot to 1 foot.

How do I determine the leader length?
Bottom rocky and hard current, shorter is better will not flop into crevices as easy, circle hooks also pull out easier when in this situation.

Longer leader for softer current and less rocks.

Hook 3/0 to 7/0 Gama katsu ?? Nautilus circle hook is what I think is best now, but I still will use a Mustad short shank bronze in a blink of and eye.

Hook size determined by bait size.

All knots I use are a Uni-knot

Yes I like heads of baits, but nice size chunks work also.
All sizes work up to a 2 1/2 inch cube, sometimes bigger for groupers but you risk finding alot of Nurse Sharks also.

Snapper don't really have that big of mouths compared to alot of other fish from my opinion.

The bigger baits also keep the smaller ones busy picking at it until the big fish get aggressive.

Hooking your bait
I like in heads to come once up through the jaw and out the nose.

Chunks once through a meaty part that will help in not spinning the bait in the current if it does come up off of the bottom.
"Keep in mind Physics of the water current on the bait Important"
EL'NATURAL
They don't like helicopters "really"

You want to hide the hook a little but don't bury the hook in bait, once through only.

Thats for larger Snapper

Smaller Snapper and alot of the time more prevalent, like Mangroves

Spinning Rod is my choice I use a 6500 Shemano bait runner or my Penn 650, but any rod that is similar will work fine.

Same rig just sized down to 30 lb leader and 1/0 circle and the smaller baits are cut and used on this pole.

Another rig I like is the drop back rig, these are my names I do not really know what these rigs are called alot of the time, I just know how to do them.

This rig is like a pompano rig but one hook.

Made like this:

First I tie a 2 oz weight , Bank sinker preferably and then up 16 inches I loop the line, don't know what this knot is called but it is twisted and then pulled through the center "here is the knot " http://www.animatedknots.com/dropperloop/ and I like the loop to be 12 inches and I then place a swivel on the loop and tie a 30 lb 3 foot leader to the swivel and then a 1/0 circle, now you see why I call it a drop back, the bait will drop back but be off the bottom by a foot at the weight and then go back at an angle and drop closer to the bottom, I like this in medium current and sometimes in hard.

Can get snagged up on soft or no current.

All knots used outside of the loop are Uni-knot.

Hooks I like for small Snapper are the wiry circle hooks they are thinner.

Again small pieces 1 inch biggest needed.

As for bait I Like all my bait fresh killed and bleeding when I throw it in or just Fresh if I can't keep alive.

For smaller snapper nice size live shrimp is good.

I fish the Bottom and get the sinker to hold because i fish more than one rod.

If I am holding my rod I will some times bounce the weight out to get further under and on to the other side of the bridge, if there is a bridge in front of me.

And yes sometimes will just bounce a rod out because I am holding it, my luck this way is not as good as my buddy Dave.

Dave likes to bounce Baits out that's what I call it and he gets nailed, the interest thing about bouncing a bait out you never know what might grab it, that Cuberra Snapper I think Dave a few weeks back he got that way.

Right at the start just after he put it Down second bounce if I remember right,
Smash Dave said it was so cool to feel it hit. I have seen Dave get alot of fish using that technique.

I think I have included everything you may want to know.
If by chance you can fish a bridge when i am there I will gladly help you to fine tune your technique.

Don't expect to run right out and catch a fish with what I have given you it will still take time to learn.

But this should at least give you the basics to get going and nail some nice fish because Tarpon, Snook, Permit and Snapper are always there sometimes more than others but always there non the less.

The Boatless Fisherman.....aka....Tommy
Last edited by BoatlessFisherman on Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:07 pm, edited 6 times in total.
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Postby fishinDave07 » Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:55 am

:thumright: :shock: WOW :shock: :thumleft: This was simply the best article i've read on bridge fishing. This is Boatless Fisherman at his best...Cheers!!! :toast:
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Postby HammerHd » Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:46 am

Great info! You have covered any question anyone would ask about bridge fishing. Thanks for the great article!
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Postby Beachfisher » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:54 pm

I had to print that article. Thanks, Boatless. I think I will head to the keys tomorrow afternoon. From snake creek to long key. Maybe another boatless fisherman will be out.
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Postby BoatlessFisherman » Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:34 pm

Thanks guys,
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Postby BoatlessFisherman » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:55 pm

Added Snapper
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Postby phillybass71 » Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:22 pm

Great info. :D :D :D
Plz put back the small ones.
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Postby Rijkaard » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:00 pm

This is like an encyclopedia for bridge fishing, I could traduce it and sell to some italian fishing magazines, they hardly know what bridge-fishing is... 8)

Nevermind Tom, I send U back the money for your copyright :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby STARS6 » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:42 pm

Thank you Tommy !!

You are truly one of a kind.
The world would be a better place if there were more like "The Boatless Fisherman" !

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Postby Green Tide » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:12 pm

BF The bridge thread is the first I read on this site and had to join imeadiatly.
Thanks for the info.
It always amazes me that some people you meet on the bridges in the keys , are obviously not too good at it. but will not try something new.
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Postby BoatlessFisherman » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:20 pm

Welcome to the Forum Green Tide
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Postby Slingin' Iron » Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:56 pm

geez no more questions for me
You can find me slingin that iron at da reef
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Postby ReelTense » Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:15 am

great great thread!

Now all I need to do is find where the keys bridges are lol :lol:
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Postby iichart » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:47 pm

What do you recomend for fish retreval. A hoop net or a trebel hook? I was trying to figure out a telescoping gaff of some sort. Any ideas anyone?
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Postby BoatlessFisherman » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:53 pm

Hoop net, unless you know the size of the fish and it is with out a doubt a keeper.

I don't gaff unless I am keeping
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Postby iichart » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:52 am

Good point on the gaff and size thing. Where would be a good place to buy a bridge net or are they mostley home made?
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Postby BoatlessFisherman » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:04 am

Sharkeys Bait tackle if you are in the north Juno area

Pompano ----------- Atlantic Bait and tackle
Fort Lauderdale ------ T and R tackle
Dania --------- Anglers bait and tackle

Miami try Dons Bait and Tackle they seem to be a good outfit, I am not sure if they have though
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Postby iichart » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:53 pm

I just went to the tackle shop on Atlantic Blvd and bought a realy nice bridge net for $39. Hope to use it tonight.
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Postby Rijkaard » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:42 am

iichart wrote:I just went to the tackle shop on Atlantic Blvd and bought a realy nice bridge net for $39. Hope to use it tonight.


my suggest is to make some practice with smallish fish, even if they don't need to be netted, remember it can be very tricky netting a fish with that hell of a current, so you won't run the risk of losing a nice fish because of lack of experience :wink:
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Postby Lomax aka ZEBCO » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:27 pm

8) Me and my friend found one for $15.00 at Bass Pro a few weeks back.
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Postby BoatlessFisherman » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:04 am

Ok on a fresh Dead Crab I place hook through the leg joints at the body, two joints on dead crabs and one joint if alive, hook size is important because to large a hook for a small crab you will weaken the joint and it will come of when you sneeze.

Frozen Crabs if still tough through the joint, but through shell if older they do become soft around the joints first and will more than likely come off on the cast if they are old and you use the joint.

Reason for joint hook up.
the fish is after the soft tissue like the meat in the legs and I see the shells cracking sometimes so with trial and error we as in the Roofer and I think it is by far better in our opinion.

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Postby islandflyfisher » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:10 pm

Zebco wrote:8) Me and my friend found one for $15.00 at Bass Pro a few weeks back.


Is this the net you are talking about? Does it fold down? Have you tried it? How do you like it? Where can I find it in the store? I know... a lot of questions.

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&partNumber=15950&hvarTarget=search&cmCat=SearchResults
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Postby islandflyfisher » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:16 pm

I just bought one for $16 at the BPS in Dania. You can find them right next to the giant shark, under a display thing. I aksed and somebody showed me where they were.

It is a little over 30" in diameter.

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Postby gofish » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:53 am

islandflyfisher wrote:I just bought one for $16 at the BPS in Dania. You can find them right next to the giant shark, under a display thing. I aksed and somebody showed me where they were.

It is a little over 30" in diameter.

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Thanks Zebco for the info that helped me find it.


I had bought that one also but returned it and bought a larger one at Angler's Bait and Tackle for $29.00....the good thing about the bass pro one is it comes with the line already tied whereas I had to buy the line for mine....
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Postby FIU Panther » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:54 pm

Why is the snapper rig for small snapper different from large snapper? What I mean is why is one a drop back and the other a more traditional setup? IS there a specific reason?


Also what type of bait should I aim at getting? Do I use squid, cut up grunts, or do I try to sabiki up some bait fish?

I'd like to catch more mutton snapper or good sized mangroves, pretty much I'd like to catch a good dinner. Last time I went I caught one good sized mutton with squid but had no other bites the rest of the 12 hours I spent on channel 2 except for very small grunts.

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Postby defrag » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:50 am

great post BF, lots of good info in there
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Re: BF's Quick guide to nailing Big fish on the Keys Bridges

Postby kidfisher10 » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:43 pm

is this on any ol' bridge?
you should make a jetty fishing thing like this :D
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Re: BF's Quick guide to nailing Big fish on the Keys Bridges

Postby crazyforfish » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:23 am

Thanks great tread!!!! :happyfisherman:
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