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 Post subject: Crackdown in effect for 'Move Over' law violators
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:41 pm 
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Do I agree with this law? Yes. Do I think you should be FORCED into it? No. Why?

Im just waiting to see how many people die because of this law. The cops should know themselves how dangerous our roads are, due to many factors. Making people move over or get a ticket, will cause many many many wrecks, due to ignorant drivers, a$$hole drivers, and blindspots.

Wonder who the first person will be to sue the pants off the state for forcing their loved one to move over, who then dies in a crash? Just a matter of time folks...just a matter of time...

In case your wondering this is what I am refering too...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/palm-b ... 2084.story

Keep in mind, I do agree that you shouldnt give the officer/rescue unit/tow truck a buzz cut, you should move over as best as you can, YES! But to force you to move over completely no matter what...Thats a death trap in the making, ESPECIALLY on these roads down here.

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As most CIVILIANS know, the drivers down here arent the most courteous, sometimes drivers will let you in, sometimes they wont. Other times you move over only to find yourself sharing a lane with someone else (blind spots). As men of the law, who DRIVE in these conditions everyday, I want to know what the $^&# they are thinking? Seriously.

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Keep in mind, I do agree that you shouldnt give the officer/rescue unit/tow truck a buzz cut, you should move over as best as you can, YES! But to force you to move over completely no matter what...Thats a death trap in the making, ESPECIALLY on these roads down here.

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As most CIVILIANS know, the drivers down here arent the most courteous, sometimes drivers will let you in, sometimes they wont. Other times you move over only to find yourself sharing a lane with someone else (blind spots). As men of the law, who DRIVE in these conditions everyday, I want to know what the $^&# they are thinking? Seriously.


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I know I move over if I can, if I cant, I just get as far away as I safely can. But to slow down 20mph, or move over no matter what...is just simply STUPID.

Like I said...We dont need to give these guys buzz cuts (flying by them at 70mph, and being 10ft from them), but jesus christ. There are times you simply CANNOT do anything, and you just do the best you can.

Now I'm going to get a ticket because I dont want to die? :scold: :scold: :scold:

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Yeah little late this law is what over 4 years old. Considering I see people following it at least a dozen times a night easily 4 nights a week and I still haven't seen a wreck yet from people moving over to follow the law. I have how ever seen 8 cops paramedics and civilians struck by jsckasses not following it. If you can't see an emergency vehicle in a lane with it's lights on and be able to slow down in that mile or so you shouldn't be driving.

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Typical cop response...Sorry to inform you...

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Typical Cowboy Justin response when someone doesn't agree with him. You asked for opinions didn't you ? Sorry my facts don't agree with your opinion.

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This shouldn't even have to be a law, it is just common sense. Unfortunately as we all know, drivers in Florida have no common sense. If you can't get over, then slow down to 20 under the speed limit. Like Fishnfool said, you can see flashing lights from a long way away. I just pray for the day that they ban talking on cell phones down here, I have thought about getting a cell phone jammer just to mess with all of the idiots who are blindly chatting away while changing lanes without signaling, cutting people off, etc.

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Talking is not the bigger problem as I see it. It is TXTING! I ""believe"" there was a study that shows that people txting are far worse than a drunk driver. :lol:

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Even today as I was driving back from Key Biscayne to get myself a nice deliciously refreshing lemonade drink at A.C 's Icees in the grove I had to honk & hold the horn for 15 secs as the lady driving was crossing over to the other lane not knowing it. As I past her she was still txting & kind of gave me a "I'm sorry." I was happy to show her that I was also sorry too with my middle finger!

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In the city yeah then slow down 20 under

What should happen is that everyone has to slow down on that lane at least to a secure speed. You being the first to slow down can get you rear sided.

I totally understand the point and no one should die because of an idiot but it is dangerous a lot of the times because people do not pay attention or are just tpo aggressive.

Hey the cell phone thing is a perfect example. I slow down and the celli behind me makes my cay 3 foot shorter.

Just showing the danger within.

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What pisses me off is school busses! I gotta stop, they should put target's on the lill fugers so us old people kin see em better :driving: :nilly: :uplol:

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What pisses me off is school busses! I gotta stop, they should put target's on the lill fugers so us old people kin see em better :driving: :nilly: :uplol:

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Typical Cowboy Justin response when someone doesn't agree with him. You asked for opinions didn't you ? Sorry my facts don't agree with your opinion.

Its not about agreeing or not, truthfully. And yes, your right, you CAN and SHOULD be able to see the lights from a distance, and it is your responsibility to take appropriate action IE, move over or slow down. BUT, that being said...I still think that giving people tickets is NOT the way to go, unless they are just being idiots, and not moving over. I do believe there needs to be some "boundaries" on this.

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Yeah little late this law is what over 4 years old. Considering I see people following it at least a dozen times a night easily 4 nights a week and I still haven't seen a wreck yet from people moving over to follow the law. I have how ever seen 8 cops paramedics and civilians struck by jsckasses not following it. If you can't see an emergency vehicle in a lane with it's lights on and be able to slow down in that mile or so you shouldn't be driving.


Good response FF73.. law is law and this one is not that difficult to follow.. the law does not say you must slow to 20mph, it says 20mph below the speed limit.

The law requires drivers to move over at least one lane away from any emergency vehicle or tow truck parked on the roadside with its emergency lights on.

If moving over can't be done safely or when traveling on a two-lane roadway, the driver is required to slow down to 20 mph under the posted speed limit.

I do disagree with LEO setting up traps, putting a tow-truck on the side of the roadway lights flashing, perhaps barely visible.. and LEO lurking in less tha visible area's hoping to write a ticket. Cracking down on the law is one thing but en-trapment is another

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I've never seen the tow truck scam Krash but I agree that is garbage if it is happening. Also agree wih Rory that if common sense was common this law wouldn't be needed. I swear some people do the fly by at 70 mph on purpose. Red light cameras don't get me started on them.

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Ive commuted 150 miles daily for 10 years - my practice is to always change lanes away from a car on the shoulder LEO, tow truck or not. Separate yourself from the opportunity for problems. I can't tell you how many times the dude changing a tire accidentally stepped into the travel lane...

Oh, btw, on busses.... The idiots I see passing a stopped bus letting kids off.... Your time will come...

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Red light cameras don't get me started on them.


Thats another subject I totally disagree with.. but is a complete different discussion, lets get it going though.

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For me the true shame is they had to make something so obvious into a law. Like the doubled fines in constructiion zones, allot a people died or were hurt before they did anything about it. I'm sure the insurance industry had a bit to do with it as well.

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I guess I should re phrase.

No one said anything but I want to make it more clear what I mean.

People blowing by with 70 or so in a move over situation is stupid - guess we can all agree on that especially knowing that people have died because of that.

What I am saying that there are situations that call for an accident. Seriously people are so damn involved with what they are doing in that moment and disregard safety of others.
I always move carefully and have not had an accident that I caused. I had others tho slam into my car already twice. One was on the cell and the other well that dude his car did not have brakes. I kid you not "no breaks". Do not know how he made it around at all. Good thing there was no speed over 20 or so with that but it lets say sufficed that my wifes neck hurt for a couple days.
Almost every day I'll see people driving anyway but the right way. How can it be that people drive around no break lights working - the car unsafe junk - banged up cars - no signal when turning "seams to be standard down here" and so forth. You would not come 5 miles in Germany like that without the police taking your car off the road. Yep your car will be off the road until fixed. You still drive without proof of fixing it and you are in even bigger trouble rightfully so. Every 2 years the car is checked. Called TUV and without their sticker you aint going one meter in that car period.
I think the driver test should be more like in other countries. More driving and learning and way more expensive so people pay attention. Compared to over here I felt like getting a drivers licence out of a vending machine. Way to easy IMO

School busses - this might sound stupid but poeple pay more attention either cuz you can see them better or because people have that more in mind. It is also more in the test or books than other topics in comparrison.
So in essence that works pretty well - why is that and why is it not working so well with the move over?

What could be done to bring that into the heads like the School bus rules?
I have just the other day wittnessed on Ochechobee 2 lanes stopped behind the School bus and one SUV on the 3rd lane had to just blow thru. Who will protect for example my wife from a person who has no regard for safety but for the cell phone has all the attention in the world.

So here a question. Besides what you have to do to follow the rule - what could be done different lets say the rule would be instated today so people have it in their minds and follow the rule like most "unfortunatly not all" do?

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Ron, IMHO drivers from other countries driving here scared the living daylights out of me when they are here. I need to start recording some of the $hit I see. A few days ago a car made a left on a right turn only on 32 ave & Coral Way in front of me. A cop was right in back of him & I said well he is going to get a ticket. Cop on the same "right turn only" goes straight. WTF? :lol:

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Ron, IMHO drivers from other countries driving here scared the living daylights out of me when they are here. I need to start recording some of the $hit I see.:


I'm not sure whats worse, drivers in Miami from other countries, or the thousands of horrible drivers up here in the winter with NY, NJ, etc plates. They may as well be from another country too.

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You are right with drivers from other countries. Seen that myself a lot of times.

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Ron, IMHO drivers from other countries driving here scared the living daylights out of me when they are here. I need to start recording some of the $hit I see. A few days ago a car made a left on a right turn only on 32 ave & Coral Way in front of me. [b]A cop was right in back of him & I said well he is going to get a ticket. Cop on the same "right turn only" goes straight. WTF? :lol:[/b]


that is one of the things that have me going. You would expect the guy to get a ticket. In all fairness the cop could have been on a mission too - receiving a order or so but for one it does look like a whatever type thing at least in the first moment.
Truth is I have seen similar things one to many.
Do not want to bit$h about cops in general cuz we can be happy we have em and their situation is not an easy one - not even thinking of recent layoffs and stuff.

Thing is the inconsistency you see as just another someone and then asking yourself why is that?

The other day the oncoming traffic going to the left had to watch out for the straight traffic. Two cop cars still had to move and basically bring the green light oncommers to a stop in the middle of the intersection. No lights no emergency visible to others via lights horns or whatnot.
What killed me with that is when the first two cops were over a third had to move in as trafiic who had green started to move again after alredy being cut off by the first two causing cars to hit the breaks and coming to close for comfort. Guess they wanted to get to lunch quick

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that is one of the things that have me going. You would expect the guy to get a ticket. In all fairness the cop could have been on a mission too - receiving a order or so but for one it does look like a whatever type thing at least in the first moment.
Truth is I have seen similar things one to many.
Do not want to bit$h about cops in general cuz we can be happy we have em and their situation is not an easy one - not even thinking of recent layoffs and stuff.


Granted! He might have just gotten a call & was on his way. Not sure how it works but I would have given him the benefit of the doubt if he had his lights on as he crossed. Maybe if they can get this casino crap worked out & running they can pump some of that money towards the recent layoffs & more cops where they are needed.

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Agreed, with all points. I've had one accident, the guy was changing the radio station, and rear ended me...on davie road. Didnt even hit the brakes, totalled his car, my S10 had pretty bad damage, but I drove it for 2 years afterwards. People talking on cell phones/texting are the worst by a long shot.

If you have a CDL license, and are caught talking on the phone while driving, its not pretty. I drove for a while, and I had a noise cancelling bluetooth headset, I didnt even like using that when I was driving. I think ALL cars need to have a cell signal scrambler in them, so you CANNOT talk on it or text while driving. THE ONLY way your able to use it, is pull off the road and put the car in park.

Thats my vote!

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What happens if you are chasing someone in your car that just committed a crime and you are on the phone with 911?! Or if they just hi jacked your car & your phone call is your only way to save you life...The list goes on & on... eatpop

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What happens if you are chasing someone in your car that just committed a crime and you are on the phone with 911?! Or if they just hi jacked your car & your phone call is your only way to save you life...The list goes on & on... eatpop

hate to say it but...you can make up any excuse you want, it is still a distraction, and leads to problems. no 2 ways about it, its a fact. they need to do something like i said about this, or it will never end. just because people get a ticket, doesnt mean they will stop doing it.

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