Debate... BAAHAAAAAAA

[opiato]

glad to hear that. Didnt get to see it yet. Had to work.hopefully will be able to find it online when I get home.

[CubanExpress]

JP, I must of been watching a different debate. Tonight, Romney clearly admitted that he would turn medicare into a voucher system. A claim that he's been denying since at least April. If you haven't noticed, the elderly have a strong opposition against the voucher system. In Florida: elderly voters have a huge majority. If Romney can't win Florida, along with the state of Ohio. He'll have a hard time beating Obama for presidency.

[crashmister]

Jetty's not worng, romey had a strong showing last night. But he also trashed the fact's. 23 million unemployed? Actual # is 12.3 million. His tax plan has never been tried before? what do you call the last 11 years? He want's to extend that and cut more. To keep that revenue neutral he has to cut spending by 1/3 minimum across the board including one of the big 3 while eliminating most of the deductions for the middle class like mortgage interest and state taxes.
Denny's not wrong about medicare and neither was OB. romy will destroy medicare with a voucher program. Private insurers will end up with the healthiest seinors and medicare will end up with the rest. Medicare is far less costly to run as OB said also. At 5% admin cost medicare is a minimum of 10% and up to 17% less costly to manage for the exact same care.
romy was right about a non elected pannel as part of OB care. But the pannel will still have to be confirmed by the senate just like a supreme court justice, and they can't ration care. In fact the law says all determinations about care are made by the patient and doctor. The irony here is the system romy was evoking actually is private insurance policy and practice. They decide what care you get by deciding what they will and won't pay for.
romy's student loan plan is or at least was borrow money from your parents, that's a fact, I heard him say it. it wasn't a sound bite, it was the entire plan.
romy was also correct that gas is double what it was when OB took office. Problem with that statment is OB has about as much to say about gas prices as I do. OPEC and the global markets set gas prices.
romy say's he'll double the amount of public land leased to oil companies. Well Bush and cheney did that already and OB never changed it. In fact he expanded it and here is part of the report.
In 2011 alone, the Department offered about 21 million offshore acres for oil and gas
development. And, we are continuing to offer substantial acreage where the oil is. Next
month, on June 20, 2012, the Department will offer more than 38 million acres as part of
a lease sale in the Central Gulf of Mexico, an area estimated to hold close to 31 billion
barrels of oil and 134 trillion cubic feet of natural gas that are currently undiscovered and
technically recoverable – and home to some of the most promising deepwater prospects.
Onshore, the Department offered 1.2 million onshore acres for lease during fiscal year
2011, as well as an additional 3 million acres in the first quarter of FY 2012 alone.
Full text here, http://www.doi.gov/news/pressreleases/l ... eid=296238
OB embelished his tax plan by taking into account the 2 trillion already cut into his 4 trillion number. He also went off book with what romy's plan will do but more because we can only speculate what will be cut because romy won't be specific. But his comparison of romy's cut's to Bush's, was accurate. and his comparison of his own plan to Clinton's was also accurate. Pretty easy to figure out which one was better. romy did in fact lie about the tax exemption for off shoring. He and Bain actually took advantage of it in 97 & 98. So the "I don't know what you're talking about Mr President" will come back to bite him in the end. romy was against OB's tarrifs on china tire companies.

http://www.classwarfareexists.com/mitt- ... z28KEb946h

romy was real proud of his education record as gov. Problem is he had nothing to do with it. the law that was responsible for it was passed while he was still at Bain.

On the campaign trail, Romney proudly emphasizes Massachusetts’ national reputation for its stellar public K-12 education system. Bay State students routinely score at the top on national and international tests. But that achievement is largely credited to the state’s 1993 landmark education reform law that poured billions of dollars into schools, set academic standards, and spawned the standardized testing that Romney fiercely guarded. [...]
Overall test scores grew incrementally during Romney’s tenure. The achievement of non-native English speakers — a demographic whose progress Romney targeted during his gubernatorial campaign against bilingual education — barely budged.

All that said, OB missed over 2 dozen opportunities to slam romy. No clue why. he could have easily wrapped up the election last night. I'll bet you don't see that again. Don't know about deer in the headlights Jetty, but yer right about him being off his game. He got caught flat footed way to many times.

[gruntking]

mitt took it all the way

[GMpartsman]

I didn't see a clear winner. All I saw was the American people losing. JMHO

[offtrackk]

We cant celebrate one debate and call it a win. I wont deny that Romney may have been strong in this one, but I believe its just the beginning. I see obama more of a chess player, watching and waiting to make his move.again,. don’t get excited because Romney came out on this one. Well see what happens next!

[crashmister]

Funny you should say that off, I kind of got the "give him enough rope" feeling. romy said allot of things he really can't back up. Like you only pay 14% in taxes. How much of your money have or will you bring back to the US for investments in US business under your tax policy Mr Romney? That however is a question OB should have asked last night.

[offtrackk]

Admit for once that your guy Loss and never looked like a leader
... and live with it...

again,. don’t get excited because Romney came out on this one. Well see what happens next!

[swordfish]

Meh... I usually abstain from political comments etc, HOWEVER, I watched it in its entirety... No one said anything better than the other... They were both dodging each other questions all the time... So, the winner in each of our minds will be determined by WHOM we are going with. Either way, we are screwed, so don't take it too seriously.

-swordfish

[CubanExpress]

JP, you sound like a broken record. We get it. Obama isn't a leader. He's a horrible president. Now that we got that out of the way. Let's discuss Romney's proposed 5 TRILLION dollar tax cut for the wealthy. We all know how the filthy rich desperately need those tax cuts. Romney say's the tax cuts will be deficit neutral, but where's the money going to come from to pay for it? The obvious answer is the middle class, through higher taxes. Do you honestly think that is the right thing to do? You've even said it yourself that we're paying too much taxes now as it is. What's going to happen with even higher taxes?

[fishnfool73]

Yes and with those taxes cuts they will open another factory in India or Thailand and really help our employment rates. Screw the wealthy and the poor always making out. How about a break for the ones that pay the overwhelming majority of taxes who buy the most goods and services and who always get screwed over

[chris21]

Romney completely outclassed and overwhelmed him to where even the majority of democrats agreed Romney won the debate. Romney is just too skilled in business and he definitely knows how to turn this country around.

[fishnfool73]

Romney completely outclassed and overwhelmed him to where even the majority of democrats agreed Romney won the debate. Romney is just too skilled in business and he definitely knows how to turn this country around.

That's hilarious I'll remind you Bush was a successful businessman and how did that turn out

[chris21]

Yes but I am not saying every businessman can be a successful president, you dont understand my point, jetty is right with his comments, obama did not look like a president last night, Romney was well prepared and i dont think 4 more years of obama is going to help this country at all, I am not a republican, I'm an independant but Romney is clearly the better choice for the good of this country, obama keeps spending money we dont have! If he is elected again we could end up like the europeans, all his attack ads on tv and in the mail are sad desperate, and false accusations of gov Romney because he clearly contradicted those shameful atyacks in the debate, plus I just saw his interview with Sean Hannity on fox news moments ago and further backs up his case, I honestly dont enjoy talking politics, but for God's sake we need new leadership in this beautiful country

[fishnfool73]

Romney is no more the answer than Obama. All Romney will do is continue where Bush left off flushing this country down the toilet. He was such a great presidential candidate for the GOP that he wasn't even on the radar til 4 of their candidates got caught screwing off or were nut jobs. Scary the man the GOP puts in the race wasn't even out there til the great holier than though Christian Right wing got caught screwing everything but their wives. The same party that railed Clinton for cheating. Funny how that works out.

[CubanExpress]

One of the most screwed up things that romney is proposing in his recovery plan is future oil drilling. The republicans have basically tapped out all resources of oil on private land. Now what they're looking to do is pass laws to be able to drill for oil on government owned land. National parks are their main targets, including the Grand Canyon.

Pump jacks pumping oil in residential neighborhoods.

[fishnfool73]

You of all people talk about broken records. You repeat the same crap over and over. Bo hoo my friends can't find a job boo hoo there are no jobs boo hoo I live in the real world same broken record over and over. You supported Bush as a leader that's as pathetic as you attacking people who support Obama. Bush was just as clueless as a president as Obama. Yet you backed Bush I wonder why. I would agree with you though Obama looked like a deer in headlights last night