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Muttons

Postby Rare » Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:15 pm

Well, after yesterday trolling and the messy tangles it created i thought we bring it back up some and talk about Mr. Pinky.
I hope you guys keep tabs on what is going on. I will keep it short and sweet. I dont mind that they want to change from 16in to 18in which is on the agenda as well.... but your thoughts on 3 per person vs 10 per person. I think they should raise grey snapper to 16 but i got hell for that already by someone so we will keep it at the muttons.

8:30 a.m., Thursday, June 23
Call to Order

Mutton Snapper –

The proposed rule would reduce the recreational bag limit for mutton snapper from 10 fish per person to 3 fish per person within the 10-fish snapper aggregate bag limit in all state waters.

68B-14.0035 Size Limits: Amberjacks, Black Sea Bass, Gray Triggerfish, Grouper, Hogfish, Red Porgy, Snapper –The proposed rule would increase the recreational and commercial minimum size limit for mutton snapper from 16 inches to 18 inches in all state waters.

http://myfwc.com/about/commission/commi ... 22/agenda/


At least i now get to talk about the good old days when we kept 20 per person on a DT trip.

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Re: Muttons

Postby fishnfool73 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:31 pm

It would kill the DT trips. Let us be serious outside of DT or Bahamas trips seldom if ever do people get more than 2-4 legal muttons a person. This regulation is aimed at killing the mutton fishing in the DT nothing less. I would rather see a no take commercial and recs during June or July.
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Re: Muttons

Postby Rare » Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:34 pm

I agree with you on where the "real" hit will be felt the most and that is DT. I must say Capt. Greg is wise beyond his years doing PR trips.
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Re: Muttons

Postby gruntking » Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:45 pm

I've been hearing about this for the past month or so

Talked to the Fwc ppl on Chans last week they said it should go into play as soon as July the tugas trips are done
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Re: Muttons

Postby k5523915 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:21 pm

if they change to 18in mutt and 16in grey.. 80% of the fishermen at Bill Baggs will disappear :joker:
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Re: Muttons

Postby Rare » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:04 pm

I don't think they follow regs over there....
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Re: Muttons

Postby k5523915 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:05 pm

oh yeah,, they have to now,, fwc rounds every day and people been put in jail left and right.. that's why even weekends now seems more peaceful... :reeling:
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Re: Muttons

Postby kblue » Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:18 am

k5523915 wrote:if they change to 18in mutt and 16in grey..

The only snapper under draft rule is mutt. I don't see anywehre about grey (mangrove) snapper...
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Re: Muttons

Postby Miami_Chris » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:01 am

I don't see anything wrong with 3 per person. It would limit the damage done during the spawn.

I am talking about local waters, not far off waters like the tortugas. But I do wonder how hard the tortugas have been hit in recent years with all the new boats capable of doing a day run out that way.
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Re: Muttons

Postby fishnfool73 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:31 am

Miami_Chris wrote:I don't see anything wrong with 3 per person. It would limit the damage done during the spawn.

I am talking about local waters, not far off waters like the tortugas. But I do wonder how hard the tortugas have been hit in recent years with all the new boats capable of doing a day run out that way.


The Tugas is one of the major spawning sites. However numerous spawning areas such as Rileys Hump are already closed year round to bottom fishing already. I am sure Capt. Greg can add more but from my experience the mutton bite and overall size has shrunk to a degree. This could be to some areas a few years ago that were closed.
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Re: Muttons

Postby snapperfanatic18 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:54 am

This can hit home both ways..i dont mind a 5 person limit aggregate, but raising it would put a hamper on shorebound fishermen, BUT i do feel that it would help to give the smaller fish a chance to mature and possibly spawn. But it would suck...if everyone had boats, then everyone would catch 18" plus pinkies..but thats not the case. For the average fisherman, an 16" mutton seems of really good size, but not to the avid fisherman with a boat. All in all, im for a 18" minimum, but against anything less than a 5 fish limit. And that affects me because i dont even own a boat or even go out often, but i try and see the bigger picture..i say they raise the mango limit back up to 10 and 12" min
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Re: Muttons

Postby snapperfanatic18 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:00 am

Hell, if any of the snapper species that is under 10 per person, should be excluded from an aggregate limit..let it be separate reg. Ijs
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Re: Muttons

Postby xtremeh18 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:15 am

k5523915 wrote:if they change to 18in mutt and 16in grey.. 80% of the fishermen at Bill Baggs will disappear :joker:

Rare wrote:I don't think they follow regs over there....


LOL @ both of you! :uplol: I agree with both statements by the way.

k5523915 wrote:oh yeah,, they have to now,, fwc rounds every day and people been put in jail left and right.. that's why even weekends now seems more peaceful... :reeling:


Really?!?!?! Cause out of all the times that I have been out there I only been checked twice. I feel FWC can do a lot more at Baggs but that's just my opinion.
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Re: Muttons

Postby cudaman » Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:41 pm

I see talks about State waters, but does not talk about federal waters, unless I missed something. Anyways, 3 bag limit during spawning season in state waters sounds good to me since as already pointed out by fishingfool the majority of recreational fishermen rarely get over that many. But that will hurt the charter captains. These people don't realize that when they close something the fishermen will go after another fish population. I already see so many Captains just taking people fishing for Yellow Tails, perhaps that will be the next closure and the closure of all bridge fishing with it. Seems like the commission thinks that in the Keys joggers and people in bicycles will be the only ones to support the economy. PETA is winning the battle, I tell ya'll.
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Re: Muttons

Postby kblue » Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:11 pm

Here is actual draft rule...
The proposed rule would reduce the recreational bag limit for mutton snapper from 10 fish per person to 3 fish per person within the 10-fish snapper aggregate bag limit in all state waters.

Here is state water boundary.
http://myfwc.com/media/3811177/AtlanticGulfBoundaryMapUS1.pdf

I guess those long range party boat need to fish outside of state water.
What is the recreational bag limit for mutton in federal law?
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Re: Muttons

Postby cudaman » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:53 am

Good job kblue, this means it does not impact federal waters. But it also means that anyone fishing for muttons infederal waters must go straight to federal waters, fish, tuck away all fishing equipment and head straight to dock without stopping.


Froim FWC site, definition of state waters:
Florida state waters are from shore to 3 nautical miles on the Atlantic and from shore to 9 nautical miles on the Gulf. In most places, federal waters extend from where state waters end out to about 200 nautical miles or to where other country's waters begin.
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Re: Muttons

Postby Rare » Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:38 pm

Feel much better now but wondering how long before they...............................................................
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Re: Muttons

Postby kblue » Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:24 pm

Rare wrote:Feel much better now but wondering how long before they...............................................................


Are we on?
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Re: Muttons

Postby cudaman » Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:05 am

Rare wrote:Feel much better now but wondering how long before they...............................................................


Give it no more than a couple of years and it will be Federal Waters as well.
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Re: Muttons

Postby Leadslinger » Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:18 am

Go to 20" and make it 5, close the spawn season. The meetings were interesting when this all started a few months ago. Still not sure why they couldn't grasp my thoughts on giving those staying at the fort a two day limit. Sure seems like dry land to me and the Cubans that land thrre.
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Re: Muttons

Postby kblue » Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:59 am

Leadslinger wrote:make it 5, close the spawn season.

Yes, this is more reasonable than drastically reducing 10 to 3...
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Re: Muttons

Postby HJared » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:27 pm

just make it like singapore, if we catch you red handed we kill you. either the people killing the small fish will be scared or they will die!
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Re: Muttons

Postby Rare » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:00 pm

Well, now.........01/01/2017
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Re: Muttons

Postby fishnfool73 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:37 am

Could have been worse
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Re: Muttons

Postby BEOWULF » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:13 am

I haven't seen a legal mutton caught from Pompano Pier in ages. I have seen plenty go in coolers though. :mad: 16" or 18"... it won't matter there. :roll:


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Re: Muttons

Postby fishnfool73 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:35 am

BEOWULF wrote:I haven't seen a legal mutton caught from Pompano Pier in ages. I have seen plenty go in coolers though. :mad: 16" or 18"... it won't matter there. :roll:


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Without enforcement all the laws are worthless. Certainly made legal muttons from land a thing of the past.
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Re: Muttons

Postby kblue » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:47 am

Yep
18" will eliminate "any" chance for boatless fisherman to catch keeper. But it appears 5 per person/day won't affects party boat fishing within state water much as boat limit will be applied except for dry Tortuga spot within state water... Some serious private mutton trip during spawning may end...
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Re: Muttons

Postby Green Tide » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:14 am

fishnfool73 wrote:
BEOWULF wrote:I haven't seen a legal mutton caught from Pompano Pier in ages. I have seen plenty go in coolers though. :mad: 16" or 18"... it won't matter there. :roll:


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Without enforcement all the laws are worthless. Certainly made legal muttons from land a thing of the past.




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Re: Muttons

Postby xtremeh18 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:58 am

Green Tide wrote:If you see something say something


I agree with Green Tide.... Fish Lives Matter!
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Re: Muttons

Postby Rare » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:08 pm

kblue wrote:Yep
18" will eliminate "any" chance for boatless fisherman to catch keeper.



I would have to disagreed with you on this, Kim. The fish are there and yes (broken record) if you put the time you can catch. Let's be real, a 16in mutton snapper is not worth on a frying pan. I'm glad they went with 5 vs the 3 that was on the table. This in return might give you guys a better shot on landing a bigger mutton or pushing you to fish for a bigger mutton.
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