Fluorocarbon vs. Mono leader
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Fluorocarbon vs. Mono leader
What do you guys think of the 2? When is fluro better and when is mono?
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Florocarbon.. daytime..
standard mono..nighttime
florocarbon is very expensive when going in the upper lbs ratings
example 100 lb florocarbon leader for 50 yds = $75 - $100 depending where you are shopping
Even 80 lb as mentioned is around $65 and up for 50 yds
Use it and you be the judge...
You can never compare 2 different days and 2 different anglers using one or the other..
When the fish are bitting the fish are bitting...
Taking weather patterns... moon cycle... outgoing tide - incoming tide..and the exact time that you are fishing into consideration this will have a far more impact for the days.. outcome.. on producing fish or not
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Using a Florocarbon leader
standard mono..nighttime
florocarbon is very expensive when going in the upper lbs ratings
example 100 lb florocarbon leader for 50 yds = $75 - $100 depending where you are shopping
Even 80 lb as mentioned is around $65 and up for 50 yds
Use it and you be the judge...
You can never compare 2 different days and 2 different anglers using one or the other..
When the fish are bitting the fish are bitting...
Taking weather patterns... moon cycle... outgoing tide - incoming tide..and the exact time that you are fishing into consideration this will have a far more impact for the days.. outcome.. on producing fish or not
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Using a Florocarbon leader
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Mono is the only thing you need to catch fish...Lomax wrote:... Strictly mono for me.
The Angler is what makes or breaks a fish coming over the rail or being dragged over the sand....
For me Monofilament 100%
Florocarbon = SNAKEOIL
If you are using a florocarbon leader and "YOU LAND" a fish... That same fish would have been "LANDED BY YOU" on a Monofilament leader..
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I disagree as I have on occassion seen fish caught with fluro leader when mono went untouched just my experience. Do this hold fluro and mono in front of you underwater in a pool and test it for yourself. At night fluro reflects light so I avoid it for snook at night Fluro is not always worth the money but at times it has made the difference between no fish and fish for me.
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OK just for LOMAX at night when snook fishing the snook tend to hang around lights in the water and the full moon is noramlly good for them as well both these hhmmm I'll call them light sources can reflect on the fluro leader causing it to stand out more. For pompano fishing fluro is a waste but I have seen it make a difference on mackeral and snapper at times
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Snook hit baits in the dark.. ex.. behind shadow lines.or outskirts in the dark of a light.. they ambush their prey.. they are in the dark.. Yes they hang around lights.. They just arnt sitting in the middle of the light....fishnfool73 wrote:At night fluro reflects light so I avoid it for snook at night
The snook that are worth catching are going to be in pitch black water.. when fishing at night...Behind a shadow line or on the darker outer ring
of a light source...
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Well there you go.. you just said it.. fishing with Floro not getting a hit..fishnfool73 wrote:don't know but I know that a couple of times while snook fishing didn't get hits with fluro leader and switched to mono and got hit.
had to swith to mono to produce fish ?..
Fish just see silluoettes of the lures at night...sound, water movement..presentation or smell "dead baits" is key at night..and many other things will determine if "YOU" will catch a fish at night... not the leader.
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See this is "YOU"... You are catching them.. There is no way to go back in time for that split second in the exact location on the same conditions of the day or night...Or anyone other than "YOU" for the "SAME EXACT SNOOK/FISH"....fishnfool73 wrote:But have had it make a difference for them in the day at times
Many other things will determine if "YOU" will catch that "SAME" fish.. than the leader you are using...
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Ok you are losing me with the Twilight Zone thing of going back in time. In my experience I have used fluro to catch fish when I caught nothing on mono just my experience. Sometimes I agree fish will chew on parachute cord but at other times I do whatwever is needed to try and get them to bite if that means fluro then I will use it. There is no catch all answer to the question I use fluro for leader and will continue to do so as it works when the fish are line shy....you feel free not to use it.
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LOL
In order to see the diffrence with Monofilament rig --Verse-- Florocarbon rig... SAY...
You are fishing a spot that has cloudy water.. you cant see whats down there..could be 5 snook down there.. you dont know it..
You cast it out / or drop it down with a 3 oz sinker or whatever... making a huge splash and a bunch of noise... the snook haul tail outta there fast..
Say you had a monfiliment rig on the bottom with a live shrimp.. for say
5 minutes and no bites.. You reel your line up.. Then you make a florocarbon rig.. then you go get a soda out of the cooler..crack it open.
take a gulp or two.. no rush.. then the cell phone rings and your talking
Shei@@t for 10 minutes... or 15.. after its all said and done the fish have
already moved away right after that splash/noise on the first drop
You make another cast or drop.. five minutes or so goes by.. since your bait was already sitting there with no fish around and that live shrimp is swimming-kicking... for 5 minutes.... a snook happens to swim by and nail your bait.. you crank him in and land him.....
In a situation like this you could swear it was florocarbon.. but it wasnt..
thats a "Placebo effect"
The only way to find out is that same second drop with that same snook at that same exact time..hard to duplicate that same scenerio.. while using monofilament
Another example is say you are fishing florocarbon...on a bridge... catch
a snook.. and say ok watch i will tie on a monofiliment leader...In certain
situations after that one snook it is shutdown.. you can even see the fish stacked up on the shawdow line... go back to florcarbon leader..no bites... its not the leader..
That five minute window can make or break a fish being landed or not..
Everything can change within 10 minutes or so.. what happens if you have fished with mono.. then switched to florocarbon and still not landed any fish...
If mono and floro cant get a bite??? then what is the excuse..
More things take effect on a fish bite than you can imagine..more than the leader it self..
Fishnfool...I know what you are saying about catching fish with florocarbon
Its just hard to compare the two side by side..from a fish point of view..
Everything has to be in a mirror condition.. Which i think is an impossible situation...to make a exact comparision against mono and floro it would have to be just that..
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Snook don't see the bait as much they can feel it. The Black stripe on them is a sensory gland.fishnfool73 wrote:Not a snook but they must have some vision in the pitch black water or they wouldn't see the lures....don't know but I know that a couple of times while snook fishing didn't get hits with fluro leader and switched to mono and got hit.
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You can borrow "me FluxCapacitor" It wasnt much help for me thisjighead wrote:Ahh, just what I was looking for, flux capacitor.LOL
weekend.. no Bermuda Chubs.. but it would help if i was fishing for
them LOL. It seems like if you try to catch one you can't.. I saw two
or three small ones come over the rail on saturday... I rushed to
make a Bermuda Chub Rig but......... I was distracted by some
CuntalingusViginis..I know... I know its my fault.. Next week....
I will try to get one.. Jighead you can borrow "me FluxCapacitor"
just make sure you dont break it..also Jighead...make sure you read the manual..
One wrong touch of a button and we will have the year
of 1959 snook regulations for the year of 2007.. LOL thread Derail... Sorry Back on the tracks..
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First thing.......If a fish is hungry it will eat (Juno July right before season opens they will even hit wire)
Second thing...MARKETING (if they make it sound good or look gnice for you, it will work for them, the sellers)
Tthird thing..... Not all fish see in the same color scheme..we kind of do, we loose it after 7,000,000 colors
Fourth thing....fish see in different colors..a debate....some see 4 colors some see grays colors only.... not something we can discuss....maybe biologist can continue to argue on....
All I know is some dark colors work for me at some places and some light colors work for me at others....TRIAL AND ERROR....Just as grunts work on some places and not on others, but live and fresh shrimp work just about every where at least to get some bait.........
Second thing...MARKETING (if they make it sound good or look gnice for you, it will work for them, the sellers)
Tthird thing..... Not all fish see in the same color scheme..we kind of do, we loose it after 7,000,000 colors
Fourth thing....fish see in different colors..a debate....some see 4 colors some see grays colors only.... not something we can discuss....maybe biologist can continue to argue on....
Find this at:http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0505/feature5/The reef is a world where vision and color are clearly a matter of life and death for those wise enough to heed the message. One day I was not so wise. Bold colors can advertise danger, and most marine biologists are not so foolhardy as to reach out and grab an unfamiliar, brilliantly colored animal. But on a languid dive near Komodo, in a forest of soft corals, I spotted a gaily colored clown crab sitting on something I didn't recognize. I ignored the something and reached for the crab, who surprised me by holding his ground, unafraid. Now I know why. He could afford to stick out like a beacon because the something he was sitting on was his form of defense—a stinging hell's fire anemone. It took two weeks for the burn marks and pain to fade from my hand. Lesson learned.
All I know is some dark colors work for me at some places and some light colors work for me at others....TRIAL AND ERROR....Just as grunts work on some places and not on others, but live and fresh shrimp work just about every where at least to get some bait.........