10# Braid

[Cookinman]

OK, so what # leaders do you guys use and how to attach?

I am pretty fond of 20# fleuro - but sometimes the connection to the 10 # Braid looks pretty uneven, using an albright...But it is a smooth knot through the guides...

What do you like to pair W 10# Braid?

[pufferfish]

i use the same, 10# braided line and 20 lb flourocarbon leader using the albright and it works fine for me. ive used it freelining shrimp for snook and the knot has always held

[Cookinman]

Kinda looks like an albright W an overhand loop first - interesting...

there is such a diameter difference between the 10# braid and 20# fleuro....I always second guess my albrights capacity....

[krash]

10#, 15#, or 20# Braid to either 15#, 20#, or 25 Fluro leader, any brand but Vanish.

I used to use the reverse Albright, but I had several know failures, actually unravels after several dozen cast and watchd a lure, jig, or soft plastic fly off into the mangroves. This was possibly operator error when tying the know, but I changed knots and never looked back.

If I tie it at at home I start with an 8 turn Bimini twist in the braid, maybe 3 or 4 feet, then a Uni to Uni, 3 turns in the fluro, and 4 or 5 turns on the braid side. Never had a knot fail yet.
If I'm on the water I skip the Bimini and just double the braid and tie a Uni to Uni, works just as well.

Yes it does click and catch on the eyes, especially ros with tiny eye/tips, and yes some consider that a real PITA, but you get used to it.

Also toyed around with the tripple surgens know with good success. There is another know I see showing up on boards called the Austrailian Plait/Braid that is supposed to be great, but looks very cumbersoome to tie on the water, in the wind, on a kayak

[bolo]

Must use a Bimini twist or 5 turn surgeon loop knot. Doubling the line gives it better strength. To make it easier to handle the line wet it a few times with water or your saliva (Bimini twist no need to wet). I normally use a uni to uni but you can also use albright, or surgeon knot(always five turns). I have not had any knot failures.

If the knot is going to be spool on to your reel than I recommend uni to uni. Make sure you cinch the knot tight and trim the tag ends down so the tag ends don't snag the line when casting. Draw the knot together slowly as 10lb test breaks easily. Good luck.

[Green Tide]

Rob thanks for sharing. I am going to try that.

[fishnfool73]

I have used 15 lb mono ( 2 foot or so) with an albright/ spider hitch then uni knotted a few feet of 25 or 40 lb mono for leader whe targeting macks and such. If I have to change mono leaders it is so much easier to redo a uni than redo a braid connecting knot esp in windy conditions or when your hands are shaking because the bite is so hot.
So braid to 15 lb mono to leader line.....

[big_matt_duq]

when switching a lot i have used a loop to loop connection like a wind on...spider hitch the braid and doubly overhand loop on the mono/fluoro...think its a surgeon knot but i dont remember the name...sorry have been away from fishing for to long now, been playing with to many guns.
matt

[Cookinman]

when switching a lot i have used a loop to loop connection like a wind on...spider hitch the braid and doubly overhand loop on the mono/fluoro...think its a surgeon knot but i dont remember the name...sorry have been away from fishing for to long now, been playing with to many guns.
matt

Thanks for all the input guys.
I have never tried to spider hitch my braid. I know the Hitch must seat right or it cuts itself. If it works, that is my easy solution.

Sandy - do you bimini 10 # PP ?

Anyone else doubling their light braid ? how?

I'm planning on bringing a knife to a gunfight and want to increase my odds

[big_matt_duq]

i use it all the time for walleye... hooked some big carp and catfish on the stuff and it holds up pretty good. 10lb pp is my favorite flounder line...you can feel them breathe on your bait. i have a hunch you are going for something a little bigger though...

[Cookinman]

i use it all the time for walleye... hooked some big carp and catfish on the stuff and it holds up pretty good. 10lb pp is my favorite flounder line...you can feel them breathe on your bait. i have a hunch you are going for something a little bigger though...

...lol, yea, kinda

There are some bigger Kingfish in the Mac waters I like to fish....I thought it would be cool to land one on my cabo 20 W 10# Braid. I would have alot going against me and would hate to loose one to knot failure.

Also some pretty big Bonito come in from time to time at the same place. I figure I can realistically not expect to have enough spool to tire anything really over 20#.

...But so far a good spider hitch holds?

[big_matt_duq]

for me it does.... i will caution you on most of the regular knots like uni-uni, albright, figure 8... i had more break offs than ever with these combos. i believe i settled with the reverse albright for heavier braid and mono combinations and it works great. with light mono/flouro leaders and the thin braids, it seemed i was cutting the leaders all the time with the braid. loop to loop is the best compromise i found with the lite stuff. you may want to look into the 15lb braid... i think that's the rating...good luck stopping a decent king with that rig though. i know the 50lb one i caught last summer damn near spooled my 4/0 wide loaded with 30lb mono... pretty sure it took like 500yds off the reel... it will be one hell of a ride either way though. the only thing i really have against all braid set ups is when seeking a fast striking and running fish. the biggest problem with braid is that no stretch aspect we love for so many other reasons. i like my mack rods to be a little faster action and this takes all the shock away and pulled hooks and snapped braid occur. i'm sure i'm not telling you anything that you already do not know...

[Cookinman]

for me it does.... i will caution you on most of the regular knots like uni-uni, albright, figure 8... i had more break offs than ever with these combos. i believe i settled with the reverse albright for heavier braid and mono combinations and it works great. with light mono/flouro leaders and the thin braids, it seemed i was cutting the leaders all the time with the braid. loop to loop is the best compromise i found with the lite stuff. you may want to look into the 15lb braid... i think that's the rating...good luck stopping a decent king with that rig though. i know the 50lb one i caught last summer damn near spooled my 4/0 wide loaded with 30lb mono... pretty sure it took like 500yds off the reel... it will be one hell of a ride either way though. the only thing i really have against all braid set ups is when seeking a fast striking and running fish. the biggest problem with braid is that no stretch aspect we love for so many other reasons. i like my mack rods to be a little faster action and this takes all the shock away and pulled hooks and snapped braid occur. i'm sure i'm not telling you anything that you already do not know...

Thanks for all the help Big Matt ! It is always greta to share ideas and do not be so sure of what I do not and do know - I am still leaning this stuff everyday I welcome the input !

Basically most of the kings I get consistantly are in the 8-20# range off the pier. Most of them have come from working a 1 oz gotcha fast off the sand and repeating. I use 20# PP W 30# mono leader tipped in 4-5 inches of #3 wire....Some bigger ones have run me pretty hard on the Torium 30 are are just plain nasty fighters.

Unless I get tail whipped, I just let em run and reel in a dead tired fish - somehwat easy. Provided, I get the over under thing accomplished W out getting frayed off by a piling

I thought it might be fun to get a slightly smaller silver gotcha ( 7/8 ) out a tad further - BOUND to get picked up by accident - so I wanted to figure out how to best handle the shock involved W the initial run.....My 20# Braid setup ( Sahara 4000 20# braid 7.5' Redbone MH ) holds the same 150 yards plus backing as my Cabo 20 W 10# braid does, so it may work. I realize I cannot put the same amount of heat on a smoking king W 10# than I can w 20#, but hey it could be fun to try to land a big King W 10# no? I mean after the first 2-3 runs, they usually crap out fast....

I could be just plain dumb about trying, but what the hell - I have an hour to kill at lunchtime everyday so whyt not ?!!?

[Cookinman]

Tied a couple spiders at lunch yesterday W the lighter braid...

Looks OK
Tested OK ( broke the line before the knot failed )

NOW, Lets see if it actually works in the real world

Thanks Matt !

[bolo]

Tie a 5 loop surgeon loop knot. It is a lot easier. Make sure you wet the line to make it easier to manage the line.

[Cookinman]

Tie a 5 loop surgeon loop knot. It is a lot easier. Make sure you wet the line to make it easier to manage the line.

Thanks Rich - I use the surgeons alot from braid to mono - but really needed to know how folks doubled their braid - 10# PPO to 30 mono looks like a spiderweb caught on a garden hose...lol - I wanted to double the braid for a couple reasons....

The spider looks like it is seating really well ( suprising - ) But have not yet fought a big fish on the rig yet.....The way things looked today at DFP - That may be a while too

[bolo]

You are confusing a surgeon loop to a surgeon knot. The loop knot is tied to double the line of your braid or mono. Surgeon knot are used to tie different diameter line. You can always tie a 30 turn bimini twist.

[Cookinman]

You are confusing a surgeon loop to a surgeon knot. The loop knot is tied to double the line of your braid or mono. Surgeon knot are used to tie different diameter line. You can always tie a 30 turn bimini twist.

I was trying to avoid a Bimini if possible....

AND I WILL look up the surgeons loop - Thanks !

[bolo]

[big_matt_duq]

i have tried that knot to bolo...works pretty well and is faster to tie. i use it in a pinch but i like the spider better. the only thing i really like about the surgeon is the loop can be tied smaller.
P.S. good luck cookin, let me know how it turns out.

[4wheelangler]

Tie a 5 loop surgeon loop knot. It is a lot easier. Make sure you wet the line to make it easier to manage the line.

I also use the 5-7 turn surgeon loop + the spider twist when I have more time. I almost always double the braid before adding a leader. I mainly use two rods, 8' medium each, one with a pflueger 6740 w/ 15# pp and a 6730 w/ 10# pp, use these at different times for casting lures or freelining for macks, blues, snook, etc

For attaching the leader I use uni-uni mostly. I'll try Robs suggestion next time.

[big_matt_duq]

depending on the size of the leader a reverse albright might work... for my heavy braid (150lb) to 130 mono i use the alberto's knot. holds pretty good. for the light stuff i would just keep it simple and go with what we all said before.